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Ed Hartouni
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Livermore, CA
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The Chief, you trained for such occurrences because many similar things had happened before and the Navy had in place plans... in fact, you were trained to respond in a particular way, were deployed on the deck in a particular way, and reacted in a manner of "doing your job" that mitigated those crises, the risks were well known, and the mitigation of those risks programmed.
It is not to say that you and your crew mates didn't do an admirable job in that chaos, just that you had the deck stacked in your favor because of lessons learned.
For this crisis, there is no lesson learned, and no playbook on how to even recognize it happening.
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sci-fi
climber
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No, the destruction was because people built houses right at the coast without any form of protection. Just like in Florida.
Those guys could learn quite a lot by taking an excusion to Holland and see how it is done.
100% their own fault and has nothing to do with climate change.
Investments in adaption are far better given out that trying to control climate.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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wow^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Stanford ,aye?
Care to divulge your name?
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sci-fi
climber
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40 published papers find climate sensitivity to CO2 is significantly less than IPCC claims:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/11/40-published-papers-find-climate.html?m=1
The IPCC models are pure science fiction.
However, one has to acknowledge the amount of spin and effort it must take to distort the science in order to give the politicians what they want.
This will surely go down in history as the greatest scam ever.
It is almost like living in a parallel universe when you read the claims in the news papers, and then look up the data, which do not support any of this nonsense. How can so many people believe in this crap?
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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What does The Milankovitch Theory say about future climate change?
Orbital changes occur over thousands of years, and the climate system may also take thousands of years to respond to orbital forcing. Theory suggests that the primary driver of ice ages is the total summer radiation received in northern latitude zones where major ice sheets have formed in the past, near 65 degrees north. Past ice ages correlate well to 65N summer insolation (Imbrie 1982). Astronomical calculations show that 65N summer insolation should increase gradually over the next 25,000 years, and that no 65N summer insolation declines sufficient to cause an ice age are expected in the next 50,000 - 100,000 years ( Hollan 2000, Berger 2002).
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/milankovitch.html
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Splater
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Grey Matter
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“Science has yet to provide unambiguous evidence that problematic, or even measurable, human-caused global warming is occurring. The hypothesis of dangerous man-made climate change is based solely on computerized models that have repeatedly failed in practice in the real world.”]
WRONG AGAIN, what in the denialist idiot blogworld do they claim has caused the global warming so far? Cosmic rayguns?
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Surface temps have already risen by approx. .61 C, just since 1960.
"40 published papers find climate sensitivity to CO2 is significantly less than IPCC claims" Just like previous attention given to lowballers Curry, Lewis, etc, your denier blogs only look for those who underestimate global warming. There are at least as many climate scientists who think the IPCC is too low. That's why the IPCC AR5 is a consensus finding based on tens of thousands of papers, not 40. Read the report that enumerates likelihoods, fiction troller.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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which Working Group?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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"which Working Group?"
the fictional one, of course.
Hey fictional deniantist,
So instead of reading the main points of AR5, you read what some kook blogs. How very scientific of you.
What is your alternative proven theory for what has caused the global warming so far? Oh that's right, you don't have one, obviously because manmade GHG's are responsible for almost all of it, and a lot more yet to come (with CO2 still soaring). But you are good for plenty of manmade denial, all of it based on nonscience. http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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raymond phule
climber
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Temperature has not increased in two decades, despite record CO2-emmision.
It is interesting how the time for no increase in temperature goes back and back even though that the data don't show it. Even rss that even Spencer think show to much cooling show a warming trend for the last two decades. The other ones show a warming trend of more than .1 degrees per decade for the last two decades.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Chief,
The tar sands are not shales. The Bakken Shale is an example of a shale play that produces oil, but by far, most of the horizontal plays are gas heavy. Right now companies are drilling in the oily areas, such as the Woodford SCOOP, the Niobrara in Colorado and Wyoming, and the Eagle Ford in SW Texas.
Drilling in the gassy areas has practically stopped.
As for the tar sands, it isn't even drilling. It is mining. So your statement about it coming from fracking is just another lie. You are incapable of seeing this.
Exxon IS involved in the shale plays through a company that they bought, XTO Energy. However most of the horizontal drilling is being done by large independent exploration companies. The big boys had fled onshore U.S. back in the 80's, and only recently have some of them come back. The XTO acquisition is the only one that I have to worry about.
XTO (Exxon) isn't at the top.
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sci-fi
climber
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Raymond, statistically speaking the pause is now up to 27 years depending on which data set you use:
McKitrick, R. R. (2014). HAC-Robust Measurement of the Duration of a Trendless Subsample in a Global Climate Time Series. Open Journal of Statistics, 4(07), 527:
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=49307#.VFeifiiIY0M
As for the new IPCC report, that thing is a political manifest pretending to show evidence for CAGW. However, they do not show any models that use reasonable estimates for the climate sensitivity. Nor do they acknowledge that climate science is still in its infancy and that there may be many additional mechanisms that we dont even know about.
Instead they try and shove this down our throats and tell us that the science is settled.
In scientific terms, the CAGW-hypotesis should have been rejected long ago in face of the recent temperature hiatus despite accelerating CO2-emmision.
It is simply falsified.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 3, 2014 - 08:02am PT
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sdi-fi claims he's a researcher from Stanford, but relies on blogs for his understanding of the state of climate science and quotes geology professors in an attempt sound knowledgeable about climate.
Another Bozo for the clown car!
recent temperature hiatus
Hey sci-fi, in the past 6 months, how many hold the record for the hottest months on record?
If you've been paying attention, you'll note that we're heading for the hottest year on record. How does that square with your claim about a hiatus?
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sci-fi
climber
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Thanks for that insightful contribution to this debate.
Says a whole lot about you.
If you remember that the CAGW-hypothesis was that increasing CO2 leads to increasing temperature. Then the longevity of the hiatus essentially negates the hypothesis.
It does not matter one bit that it is warmer now yhay at the enf of the little ice age when the thermometer was invented.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I guess scifi is trying to catch up on this tread... posting nearly 2 year old articles as "news":
Leaked UN climate report slammed for citing WWF/Greenpeace
The UN has been rebuked for once again including the world of climate change lobby groups in lieu of hard science
by The Commentator on 24 January 2013 11:16
which is based on Fox News reporting.
There a large number of references at the end of each chapter of each report, and there were 4 reports produced in the AR5...
maybe scifi could provide even one example, and a volume,page citation?
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raymond phule
climber
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Raymond, statistically speaking the pause is now up to 27 years depending on which data set you use:
You have an impressive track record to get everything wrong to some extent. It was not 27 years in that article. Not a large error but still an error.
The article is also just playing around with statistical significance in a uninteresting way in my opinion.
So the 27 year significant trend in rss (that don't even Spencer think is correct) is 0.11 degrees per decade but the slightly larger 26 year trend is not statistically significant so we say that the pause started 26 year ago or something like that.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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I was wondering when someone would step forward to accurately depict what's going on with the Alberta tar sands, and lo and behold Base finally steps forward.
You know Base, this is your forest whacking and organic biociding dream on a huge industrial scale. Whole forests are whacked down, reduced to chips, then sent on Warren's trains to destinations like merry old England via super CO2 releasing barges where the offending future CO2 releasing forests are burned in wood fired electrical generation stations. But hey, its renewable. And all this biociding ,Base, happens before they even get started on the extraction process which uses billions and billions (thanks Carl Sagan) of cubic feet of the cheap natural gas you have so graciously helped locate and provide.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sketch wrote this?! He wants to be noticed. He wants to be relevant. But he's got nothing.... nothing but petty ad homs. He just shows up being an as#@&%e... hoping someone takes the bait.
well you can't say that Sketch is tortured by self-examination...
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