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WBraun
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Oct 13, 2010 - 09:45pm PT
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Since the brain is a lump of matter, it does not have independent power with which to act.
The mind is never unconscious.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 13, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
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Well, maybe you should read Jung to get at his meaning then. He was pretty intrigued by the Vedanta, had a huge fascination with mandalas. All in all a pretty trippy dude.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 13, 2010 - 10:42pm PT
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Mike Bolte, please be honest enough to not misrepresent what I said.
I have made it very clear that I don't know what to believe in this swamp of unusual phenomena and intentional disinformation. Perhaps it is unpatriotic to even be interested in what might be the truth in these things. If so, we share in that mud slinging contest. There are no clean faces in a mud slinging contest.
I related to you some of Linda's research and told you that I respect her.
It seems you think there is some sub-class of humans who believe in mythology. The size of that sub-class is highly negotiable, depending upon your point of view.
In the face of uncomfortable information, you even grasp at straws trying to say that I am a myth. Do you want to meet for lunch and compare my face with the picture on my federal id?
I think you have been deluded into the thinking that the commonly accepted reality is real (as if there really is a commonly accepted reality).
I do my best to share that delusion with you; in the face of an avalanche of confusing information.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2010 - 11:10pm PT
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You know after all the name calling and "mud slinging" subsides I just come back to this -- the reality that there is something intelligently designed that is massive on the backside of the Moon . . .
Yes, it challenges everyone, but there it is . . .
(Has anyone out there is SuperTopo-landia viewed these in stereo besides myself? So who has done so? Fess-up.)
Official NASA Apollo 15 stereopair:
Official NASA Apollo 17 stereopairs:
"Unofficial" NASA Apollo 20 stereopair:
Official NASA Apollo 15 on the left, and "Unofficial" NASA Apollo 20 image on the right. This is a stereopair and it matches. Background detail matches. Crater detail matches. Rock fall detail matches. Lunar rock detail matches. Mothership detail matches. Seems to me a perfect match all around:
"unofficial" Apollo 20 fly-over stereopairs:
Has anyone else seen the gold-like foil or mylar wreckage on the ground (the Lunar regolith) scattered around near the "Mothership" that CMDR William Rutledge talks about in an interview? You can see it in the above fly-over stereopairs.
Take a look-see with a stereoscope.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 13, 2010 - 11:15pm PT
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Well, by the topsy-turvy standards of Klimmer and his minions (they're clearly Legion), it's now proven that he is the anti-Jeebus, the archenemy, Satan incarnate, sent here with his minions (see below) to tempt, vex and mislead us. Apage satanas! They can't prove that it's untrue, which must mean that it's true. They haven't even tried.
I can't quite figure out the Klimmer-FatTrad-LEB connection, but Dafty admits that he's evil (a fine bit of dissimulation), and LEB must be one of the nephilim.
Beelzebub - Tony Bird, maybe?
Belial - bmacd?
Mammon - NWO.
Mulciber - Suggestions?
Moloch - Definitely RJ.
It appears that graniteclimber is an incarnation of the archangel Michael, guarding us with a flaming sword, helped by healyje.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 13, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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Klimmer, those stereo pictures are intriguing. Can you provide detailed source information?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 13, 2010 - 11:46pm PT
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So we've settled that Klimmer is really Lucifer (both names have an "e"! and an "l"! and an "r"!), with his minions and acolytes following along. Sowing confusion, vexation and grief amongst the righteous such as Dr. F, graniteclimber, and yours truly. It was all forecast in Revelations.
I'm pretty sure that Dick Cheney is the anti-Christ. The reptilian glare, and lack of heartbeat, pretty much prove it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2010 - 12:03am PT
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MH,
I use the word of GOD and tell you a truth . . .
Isaiah 5:20 (KJV)
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
http://bible.cc/isaiah/5-20.htm
Proverbs 17:15
"Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent--the LORD detests them both."
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:08am PT
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Exactly! Well, I'm glad you admitted that - your quotes apply perfectly to your situation.
Now what you've repented, what will you do to atone for your evils? Or are we going to have to go all exorcist on you?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:14am PT
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MH,
are Canucks this crazy?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:31am PT
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Mental health law isn't my field, and here as in the US people are free to believe what they want to, however irrational and absurd it is, or just be batshit crazy like klimmer - as long as they don't pose a threat to themselves or others. The paranoid fantasy streak in US culture and history seems much more conspicuous than such as we have here. There are a few people with fantasies like Klimmer's, but they're pitied by the kind and laughed at by others.
Except in the case of anti-Zionists and their fellow travellers, a conspiracy theory that we don't tolerate.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:38am PT
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MH
This means that you are claiming to be sane.
But it's already confirmed that you are bat sh'it crazy yourself by declaring yourself sane.
You have no real clue what true sanity is.
Just pure mental speculations based on the mental speculators before you.
You're playing a dangerous game with your own self ....
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:45am PT
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We'll let the jury sort out whether klimmer, rokjox, go-B, and the other local crackpots, religious fanatics and conspiracy theorists are nuts or not. Taking the fifth may not help them much at this point.
Edit: Doug has a good point.
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nature
climber
Whereverland....
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:48am PT
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The Jury isn't out.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:53am PT
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You have no real clue what true sanity is.
MH, I wouldn't worry to much about anything Werner says.
They never went .......to the moon. http://dev.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=157391&msg=157396#msg157396
They can not go to the moon, forbidden, in their present state of consciousness. The moon "Chandraloka" is 800,000 miles past the sun.
Therefore, even if we accept the modern calculation of 93 million miles as the distance from the earth to the sun, how could the "astronauts" have traveled to the moon--a distance of almost 94 million miles--in only 91 hours (the alleged elapsed time of the Apollo 11 moon trip)?
Rahu, maybe they went, if anywhere. http://dev.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=157391&msg=157415#msg157415
No no. I am referring to the real moon you are seeing with your eyes which you are describing. You and most everyone else will reject my statements as absurd, even so far as thinking I'm nuts/insane (hahahaha), yes I know it sounds impossible.
Do not fear
You can reject
We will see ........ if the Vedas tell the real truth. (So far they have, the original information on how to split the atom was found there, in the Vedas) http://dev.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=157391&msg=157432#msg157432
Nope
Moon is 800,000 miles past the sun.
They never went!
93 million miles to the sun plus 800,000 more to the moon,
Hoax!, you've been owned .....
Now there is an invisible planet called Rahu that is aproximately the distance 286,000 miles. this is the real planet that causes the eclipse that we see.
Rahu planet comes in front of the full moon , and thus a lunar eclipse takes place. http://dev.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=157391&msg=157564#msg157564
Werner thinks the moon landings were staged. Klimmer thinks that there were secret missions to the moon. They should get together--climb Zodiac together. LOL.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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Klimmer is not crazy, and he doesn't deserve the kind of treatment he is getting here. Some people here don't seem to have progressed emotionally since learning to be bullies in the grade school playground.
The material he is finding is at least interesting and worth looking into.
I am not endorsing any particular material and find all the bible references boring and annoying; but not nearly as annoying as the defaming personal attacks on him.
The more serious and persistent attacks on him seem to be coming from funded disinformation efforts - which only indicates to me that he is getting too close to some sensitive information.
These serious attacks seem to activate the childish bully personality aspects of some otherwise relatively civilized individuals; to their discredit. This has gone well beyond the fun stage to a point that could justify legal retaliation. My suggestion to these people is to wise up and grow up.
I want to say for the record that I think that any of you who are working on government disinformation campaigns should be completely ashamed of yourselves and should change your tune. Your time has passed!
The American public no longer believes much of anything that is said by government agencies, never mind whether the topic is particularly controversial. Just look at the BP oil spill or Katrina. You don't have to go into controversial subjects to find the distrust. We desperately need honesty in government and industry. If you are reading this and you work on funded disinformation projects; my advice is to change careers before the general public gets completely fed up and goes witch hunting!
I realize that some of you get sucked in by disinformation. To you I say, just be careful what you believe and who you are willing to listen to. That includes me. I try to be straight with what I say. If I get caught making a mistake, I'll own up to it. And notice that I use my own name to back up whatever I say. I don't think we can take seriously all the noise from anonymous sources. If you have something worth saying, back it up with your real name.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 14, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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INSANE. One deprived of the use of reason, after he has arrived at the age when he ought to have it, either by a natural defect or by accident. Domat, Lois Civ. Lib. prel. tit. 2, s. 1, n. 11.
Source: Bouvier's Law Dictionary, Revised 6th Ed (1856)
Insane \In*sane"\, a. [L. insanus. See In- not, and Sane.]
1. Exhibiting unsoundness or disorder of mind; not sane; mad; deranged in mind; delirious; distracted. See Insanity, 2. [1913 Webster]
2. Used by, or appropriated to, insane persons; as, an insane hospital. [1913 Webster]
3. Causing insanity or madness. [R.]
[1913 Webster]
Or have we eaten on the insaneroot That takes the reason prisoner ? --Shak. [1913 Webster]
4. Characterized by insanity or the utmost folly; chimerical; unpractical; as, an insane plan, attempt, etc. [1913 Webster]
I know not which was the insane measure. --Southey. [1913 Webster]
Source: The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48
156 Moby Thesaurus words for "insane": abnormal, absurd, apish, asinine, at fever pitch, batty, bedlamite, befooled, beguiled, bereft of reason, besotted, bonkers, brainless, brainsick, buffoonish, buggy, bughouse, bugs, certifiable, cockeyed, crackbrained, cracked, crackers, cranky, crazed, crazy, credulous, cuckoo, daffy, daft, dazed, delirious, deluded, demented, deprived of reason, deranged, disordered, disoriented, distraught, dizzy, doting, dotty, dull, dumb, eccentric, fanatical, fatuitous, fatuous, febrile, feverish, flaky, flighty, fond, fool, foolheaded, foolish, frantic, frenetic, frenzied, fruity, fuddled, furious, futile, gaga, goofy, gulled, hallucinated, hectic, hysteric, idiotic, imbecile, imbecilic, inane, inept, infatuated, irrational, irresponsible, kinky, kooky, loco, loony, loopy, ludicrous, lunatic, mad, maddened, maniac, maniacal, manic, maudlin, mazed, mental, mentally deficient, meshuggah, mindless, moon-struck, moronic, neurotic, non compos, non compos mentis, nonsensical, not all there, not right, nuts, nutty, odd, of unsound mind, off, out of it, overanxious, overdesirous, overeager, overenthusiastic, overzealous, perfervid, potty, psycho, psychoneurotic, psychotic, queer, quirky, reasonless, reckless, ridiculous, round the bend, sappy, scatterbrained, schizo, schizoid, schizophrenic, screwy, senseless, sentimental, sick, silly, spaced out, spacy, stark-mad, stark-staring mad, strange, stupid, tetched, thoughtless, touched, ultrazealous, unbalanced, unhinged, unrealistic, unsane, unsettled, unsound, wacky, wandering, wet, wild, witless
Source: Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0
insane adj
1: afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement; "was declared insane"; "insane laughter" [ant: sane]
2: very foolish; "harebrained ideas"; "took insane risks behind the wheel"; "a completely mad scheme to build a bridge between two mountains" [syn: harebrained, mad]
Source: WordNet (r) 2.0
Insane \In*sane"\, a. [L. insanus. See In- not, and Sane.]
1. Exhibiting unsoundness or disorded of mind; not sane; mad; deranged in mind; delirious; distracted. See Insanity, 2.
2. Used by, or appropriated to, insane persons; as, an insane hospital.
3. Causing insanity or madness. [R.]
Or have we eaten on the insaneroot That takes the reason prisoner ? --Shak.
4. Characterized by insanity or the utmost folly; chimerical; unpractical; as, an insane plan, attempt, etc.
I know not which was the insane measure. --Southey.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
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