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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Oct 28, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
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Ed,my hanks for the Oreskes presentation.
Malamute, thanks for the transcript.
Good stuff. For those who choose to be skeptically observant, it illuminates.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2014 - 04:31pm PT
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PHOOOOOOOOOOLE嘿，你是充滿bullshet的。
沒有什麼不爽在此間舉行的氣象局...
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 28, 2014 - 05:02pm PT
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Ed,my hanks for the Oreskes presentation.
Malamute, thanks for the transcript.
Good stuff. For those who choose to be skeptically observant, it illuminates.
I skimmed the transcript and came to the exact opposite conclusion--typical "scientist" (the quotation marks are important) BS.
Here's her argument in a nutshell: there is something called "technology" that is pretty hard to argue against.
Technology is kinda like what scientists do.
So you better believe in whatever "scientists" tell you or you're a hypocrite or just a dummy.
Laughably reductive and it ignores what may be going on with a lot of this "climate change" poppycock (that is, charlatans trading on the prestige of actual scientists for their own sinister ends).
As I've explained earlier in this thread, history is full of junk "science" (look up "phrenology" for a good example), and it's a little early to say whether some of this so-called climate "science" is legitimate or cut from the same cloth as phrenology and snake oil.
If they can stat making good predictions that are non-obvious, then maybe we'll have to start paying some attention to them, but I don't think that's happened yet, at least to my knowledge.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 28, 2014 - 08:35pm PT
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If they can stat making good predictions that are non-obvious, then maybe we'll have to start paying some attention to them, but I don't think that's happened yet, at least to my knowledge.
and just what is a good, non-obvious prediction?
The Chief has another interesting logic, scientists can't be trusted to talk about science, because they're scientists.
That sort of logic "meets expectation" coming from him.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Oct 28, 2014 - 09:12pm PT
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Sure does read like the days of old for well over 1000 years when Priests and the Clergy of the God Church professed their elitist superiority over anyone that was not... One of them. And how they were the only ones in the "KNOW". How no one was ever allowed to question their words or supposed "logic of the truth".
Remarkable how Man and his egocentric hypocritical History repeats itself, over and over and....
What a remarkably poor analogy. Do you even understand the difference between faith based beliefs and science based beliefs?
Curt
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 07:37am PT
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"Believe us. Have faith in us".
No, don't believe them.
Instead, do as Ed says. Download the data and verify it yourself. That's what hundreds of very smart scientists have done, and are doing.
However, we know you're just a broken record who doesn't intend to comprehend the scientific method, and choose instead to promote the anti-science position.
And you're pretty good at it.
Congrats.
Like the hiatus?
It seems that with four of the last five months being the hottest on record for those months, and 2014 on track to the hottest year on record, you better get your "hiatus" spiel out as much as you can while you can.
But again, only a fool uses that argument because it's been debunked for over a thousand posts on this thread.
What, you're not paying attention (or is it that you're too busy denying the facts)?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 29, 2014 - 08:00am PT
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Realclimate today excerpts what looks like an interesting new book about Hurricane Sandy.
Sandy didn’t need climate change in order to happen, and the story of the disaster doesn’t need climate change to make it important. The main subject of this book is Sandy, and you can read large fractions of the book without seeing climate change mentioned at all. But climate change looms large when we try to think about what Sandy means for the future.
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Sandy was not just an extreme fluke, something that we can assume won’t happen for another few hundred years. But neither is it “the new normal”—something that is sure to happen again soon, and often from now on.
Almost certainly it’s somewhere in between. We’re very unlikely to see another Sandy this year, or next, or even in the next decade or two. We’re not that much more vulnerable today than we were a few decades ago. But at the time of Sandy, we were always more vulnerable than we realized. And the pace of change is quickening.
Because of sea level rise, most of all, our risk of more Sandy-type disasters is increasing. The science of hurricanes and climate change is still young, and some of the features that made Sandy’s surge so big (its enormous size, its hybrid character, the left turn and westward-tracking landfall) are among those whose connections to climate are least well understood. But because of sea level rise, we know that big coastal flooding events will become more frequent, almost regardless of what those connections are.
Read more at http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/10/storm-surge-hurricane-sandy/
It's a new post but I'd expect good discussion to follow.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 08:09am PT
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Derp, derp, derp
And here's Sketch, trying to sound intelligent.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 29, 2014 - 08:50am PT
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fail
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 11:22am PT
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Ah, you mean this data that you keep refusing to accept and continue to deny is real and clearly indicates NO substantial INCREASE in Warming or SST's for the past 17 or so years?
Well yes, that is part of the data.
But why cherry pick, The Chief? And, where have I denied anything about a slow-down in the surface temp increase?
The Chief, living in a bubble of lies.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
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I'm thinking Physics and Structural Engineering are just liberal scams. And Biology?..don't get me started....Medicine? what a crock.
Casting runes? Divination? D&D? Santeria? now there's some science a thinking man can sink his teeth into....
Avionics? pppshaw!
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 29, 2014 - 12:09pm PT
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That's deep, sketch. You should publish it in a peer-reviewed journal.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
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If they can stat making good predictions that are non-obvious, then maybe we'll have to start paying some attention to them, but I don't think that's happened yet, at least to my knowledge.
and just what is a good, non-obvious prediction?
There may be some subjectivity, but I'd settle for almost anything better than "the climate next year is going to pretty much like the climate this year" or, in a period of noticeable change, predicting something more accurate than the best looking curves that Excel or the like spits out.
But as I understand it, the global-warming "scientists" have done much worse than that because they failed to predict the hiatus.
They may be like medieval doctors who prescribed blood letting and such--they're worse than useless.
I'm thinking Physics and Structural Engineering are just liberal scams. And Biology?..don't get me started....Medicine? what a crock.
That's a good summary of the argument the long-winded history of science person (Oreskes, of a page or two back).
There are people who know how to build bridges and airplanes and cool things like that, and they're pretty darn close to science.
So you better believe what the "scientists" tell you.
The problem is, most every crackpot out there claims to use science. While some of these crackpots are laughed at by most educated people, others are little harder to catch. Consider the so-called "science" of economics, which even awards a phony Nobel prize (which is a good example of stealing prestige from other disciplines--good old Alfred Nobel had no use whatsoever for any prize related to economics--that was started much later and basically just stole the poor guy's name). The jury is still out as to whether these guys (economists) really have much useful to say about the way our economic system actually functions, although they generate all sorts of mathematical equations and models.
Check out how Long-Term Capital Management did to get some insight as to the value of some of these "scientists" to the real world.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
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But as I understand it, ...
Apparently you don't yet understand it.
Quite a number of posts ago, Ed wrote a post about the scope of the predictions made by climate models.
It really is interesting, if you care to learn about such things.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Oct 29, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
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Quite a number of posts ago, Ed wrote a post about the scope of the predictions made by climate models.
It really is interesting, if you care to learn about such things.
Yeah it was a good one a I recall--that's the one where a "scientist" made several predictions based on several different different levels of CO2 output, the warmists (Ed who whoever it was) selected the one that seemed to correlate most closely with actual temperatures (not that it correlated all that closely) and declared victory.
Unfortunately, the prediction was for one where mankind drastically reduced CO2 output, which never actually happened!!
That one?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 03:51pm PT
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These observations, together with computer model simulations and historical climate reconstructions from ice cores, ocean sediments and tree rings all provide strong evidence that the majority of the warming over the past century is a result of human activities. This is also the conclusion drawn, nearly unanimously, by climate scientists.
And then we have the wisdom of The Chief:
你太funnneeeee Kaveman！是什麼樣的？只是直線上升的數據。
然而，你也沒有任何的AGW croanies能回答什麼導致了第一次重大等於當前的變暖事件。瞄準當前氣候變暖是人類一切產生。櫻桃採摘它最好的。
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 29, 2014 - 04:06pm PT
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It's nice to see the idiots here embrace their idiocy.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 29, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
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Post the ref ...
Why?
Does anything anybody post make a bit of difference to you, The Chief?
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