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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 23, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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but you wouldn't know about the article, would you, The Chief, you depend on the authority of someone to tell you what you should think, and what you shouldn't think.
the article basically said "I don't know what has been done in climate science..." which is not an uncommon. the better thing to have done would have been to study what the author was trying to understand. when people do that, they seem to have a much more nuanced criticism.
Curry isn't that far from the mainstream thought, her larger criticism is on how the public debate is conducted. She lays an egg (and not her first) providing that article on her blog.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 23, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
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my chain saw
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 23, 2014 - 08:40pm PT
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Point, The Chief...
how would you even know?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 24, 2014 - 12:07am PT
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Models shmodels Ed.
People are a little desensitized to the terror tactics employed by the CAGW industry.
Now what are you going to do with that chainsaw. Not going jihadist out of frustration are you?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 24, 2014 - 12:44am PT
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why would I be frustrated? nice of you to play on a stereotype, too, rick... but there isn't much I wouldn't expect from you.
the chain saw had a lot more use when I had a forest behind my house... not so much in suburban San Francisco, but it's a nice one so it sits in my garage and gets lent out every once and awhile.
seemed like there was a chainsaw thing going on around here... so I just thought to participate.
you've got a model too, rick, but you don't know enough to actually understand that...
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 24, 2014 - 07:10am PT
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I am a hypocrite,I burn some FF.
I am trying to not.
Paying for FF twice .
Backwards.
Well,since this is about Chainsaws.
I not only use one at work,I maintain MTB trails with one.Biodiesel 30 to 1.Cold Bio bar oil.
Stihl 025,12 years old,probably 20 chains worth of cutting.
Yes,It s not made in America.
You have to tune ,clean and maintain ANY saw.
You should know all about that if you run a Ducati.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 24, 2014 - 07:37am PT
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Well Ed and Wilbeer, given the recent terrorist attack using forest cutting products, and given the enviro terrorism you support on these pages, at a minimum it would be prudent for the "authorities" Frosty so loves to require you guys register those (puny little toys) as deadly weapons.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 24, 2014 - 07:53am PT
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Nothing.
You read into things.
And ,yes,just another opp to call someone names.
WTF would a 36 year Carpenter know about SAWS anyway?
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 24, 2014 - 08:11am PT
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Because I DO know Ducati's take some attention.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Oct 24, 2014 - 08:24am PT
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The ocean is only 700m deep right?
And Roy likes to fudge the baselines.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 24, 2014 - 08:34am PT
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Yes,The Chief.
I owned a Triumph Bonneville 650 for some years.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 24, 2014 - 08:38am PT
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Put it down and walked away.1985.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 24, 2014 - 08:43am PT
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Most excellent post identifying the true nature denialists Sketch. Nails them with their own hammers.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 24, 2014 - 09:20am PT
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Well,that "you put it down"really hurt.
Totally sober,Speed and gravel.
I had to walk miles in the middle of the night with a broken shoulder,something I will never forget.
Tried a friends Duke last year,they are something.Just do not want to own one.
Thing is ,I was a sponsored DH mountain bike rider and I still to this day ride fast on bicycles down hills,off roads.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2014 - 11:07am PT
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Just to reiterate Sketch's Factual and very important POST!
Exactly how do you know his post is factual? Do you have evidence?
LOL ...
Either Sketch has a lot of time to research this stuff, or he's reading his favorite blogs again.
I bet the latter.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:14am PT
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Exactly how do you know his post is factual? Do you have evidence?
FYI that "factual" post is yet another copy-paste fed to Sketch by his fave pseudoscience website.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:43am PT
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Discussing climate science with Sketch would look like arguing with a parrot, there's no point in that. But for more curious folks who might wonder how cherries are picked, let's take for example that unreferenced Ocean Heat Content graphic parroted.
Seems to end in 2012 though the blog post that Sketch so quickly copied was just posted today. Now why do you suppose that happened? NOAA's ocean heat content measure is currently available through June 2014, and if you graph their full 0-700m data set you get this.
The yellow line in Sketch's copied graph is dishonest even there, but you can see how poorly it would predict what has happened since 2012.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2014 - 12:23pm PT
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What are we talking about? In degrees? 1/10th of one degree?
I'm sweltering.
Looks like you completely missed (or ignored) Ed's calculation of the amount of energy a small change in ocean temperature represents.
Why is that? (No need to answer, we know why.)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
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FYI The study backs up the 99.7% claim.
It is true that 97% believe in climate change, which is the question they were asked, which is like asking them if the sun rises in the morning. Far fewer agreed with the man-made warming question and few of them agree on the details.
Now that's the kind of "back up" Sketch approves of! If it's written on a blog that's known to publish hogwash, it must be true!!
BTW, this page contains the word "if," so immediately it is not evidence, as defined by The Chief.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 24, 2014 - 01:05pm PT
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My comment was about the study, not a blog.
Oh right Sketch, the study backs up the blog's claim. Got a reference?
You should, because how else would you know what the study does, or does not, say.
I'd especially like a reference to where the study backs up the claim made on the blog, as you say it does.
Without a reference, I'll have to assume you're just making stuff up.
Especially because here is what I found:
Based on our abstract ratings, we found that just over 4,000 papers took a position on the cause of global warming, 97.1% of which endorsed human-caused global warming. In the scientist self-ratings, nearly 1,400 papers were rated as taking a position, 97.2% of which endorsed human-caused global warming. Many papers captured in our literature search simply investigated an issue related to climate change without taking a position on its cause.
Our survey found that the consensus has grown slowly over time, and reached about 98% as of 2011. Our results are also consistent with several previous surveys finding a 97% consensus amongst climate experts on the human cause of global warming.
Source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/may/16/climate-change-scienceofclimatechange
This makes it look like you're lying, much like Chiloe proved of the blog you so love. So I really am interested in that reference that you say exists.
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