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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I heard on NPR today that Californicators used 114 gallons of water
PER FOOKING PERSON PER DAY so far this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many fooking times do you have to flush the damn toilet?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 17, 2016 - 11:07am PT
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The Canuckians are trying hard to blow things out of perspective so they can sell us their water.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 17, 2016 - 11:27am PT
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It rained from about midnight to eight this morning, here in the Peoples Republic of SoCal. Not hard, but not a drizzle either.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Oct 17, 2016 - 11:47am PT
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On Sat-Sunday it rained 2.9" at my place in the Santa Cruz mtns.
That's the first rain of the season and the most rain we've had in one storm since Nov 2011 when I started keeping records. It's also the most accumulated rain we've had before late November.
The ground is so dry all the water disappeared as soon as it fell unless it was on pavement.
The forecast for the week is temps rising to 83 by Friday. Not a hint of precipitation.
Of course 1 event means nothing so we'll see how the rest of the season turns out.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2016 - 12:04pm PT
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So it is still a bit dry back home, eh? Not so here in Ireland.
Dingus, can you delete your post ^^^ so I can be post 1956, the year I was born? Hah hah.
I guess maybe I'll start putting my birth year as 1957.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Oct 17, 2016 - 12:24pm PT
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Yosemite Falls today!!
Lassen Today
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
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Dingus you are a star, thanks a million. I knew I was a '56 baby.
Folks, I am working on a solution. California sunshine for Irish rain and vice versa. Still some small glitches and small details to work out (okay, maybe not so small). More to come (rain that is).
Writing this makes me feel parched.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 21, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
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I heard on NPR today that Californicators used 114 gallons of water
PER FOOKING PERSON PER DAY so far this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many fooking times do you have to flush the damn toilet?
This type of statistic isn't very useful. If you live some place like Sacramento where the water supply comes from a river and the sewage goes back into it, flushing the toilet doesn't really consume any water. The water leaves the river, comes into your house, and then goes back to the river and is still available for downstream users.
The main consumption is lawn watering. That water is no longer available to downstream users.
For some towns, such as those that are using well water where the water table is dropping, any water use could be problematic. Although even there, the return sewage could be treated and put back in the water supply.
And household use is trivial compared to agriculture and the minimum river flows needed for the environment.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 22, 2016 - 01:30pm PT
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Water is the key to living in a desert.
This is a desert where I live.
We have been using too much well water.
We will never run out of land.
The water wells will run dry.
Then where will we be?
Still in a f*#king desert.
Without water.
When this drought ends we will stick our heads back in the sand.
This is what always happens.
The kids at UC Merced should have a mandatory drought awareness class.
If I had more than this two cents I'd share more.
You're welcome to these two.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 23, 2016 - 10:43am PT
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it's easy to get into a panic, but that is not warranted.
We have solutions that can work for whatever is needed....it may be costly, but it is doable.
But who wants to burn money?
The key is to do things in a deliberate, thoughtful way.
The value of the 114 gal/day is to allow a comparison---with one's self, and with other localities.
In LA, the number is 110---however, that includes industrial, business, recreation--all use of water, divided by number of people. If you look at residential ONLY, it is around 87 gal pp/pd. That is very good.
However, Sydney Aus residential usage is about 30 gal/day.
One of the difficult things I find, is to get people to envision that it is possible to use less. For many, it is inconceivable.
I was quite surprised to find that the water usage in poorer neighborhoods of LA is WAY less than in richer neighborhoods. They can't afford to be wasting, I guess.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 23, 2016 - 10:50am PT
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LA has the advantage of being large enough to employ people who are really knowledgeable and skilled in water management. Smaller localities would be challenged to scale that down.
For example, the Mayor 3 years ago issued a directive that we should cut our use of imported water by 50% by 2025. We are on track to do that.
UCLA's Grand Challenge is working toward 100% local sourcing of water, and 100% renewable energy by 2050.
You have to set high goals.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Oct 23, 2016 - 10:57am PT
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Just for comparison only. Actual residential usage is smaller.
Look up your specific area's residential customer use by supplier here:
http://projects.scpr.org/applications/monthly-water-use/
Looks like areas with lawns (such as Livermore) in my area have by far the highest usages.
The denser areas such as SFPUC are down in the 40's gallons per residential customer.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 24, 2016 - 08:23am PT
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What drought?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 24, 2016 - 02:09pm PT
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The value of the 114 gal/day is to allow a comparison---with one's self, and with other localities
Yea, but it isn't that useful unless you can separate out consumption from return flow.
I could let my shower run 24 hours a day and have less impact than my neighbors who keep lush lawns all summer long. (I discovered that if you never water your lawn, you end up with drought tolerant landscaping...)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 24, 2016 - 03:32pm PT
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Granted, August.
But it is a tad more complicated.
First, the water may be returned to the system, but there is not 100% efficiency.
Second, if water is treated, then secondarily used by the same water system (reused either as "purple pipe" water, or indirect potable reuse), that water is NOT counted in the usage amounts.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 26, 2016 - 06:53pm PT
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I'm glad to see the rest of society finally catching up with me. I've never watered the lawn (with an exception here or there). Ever. I'd rather go climb than mow. Sure you still have to mow on occasion, but watering and fertilizing makes the problem much worse. When we first moved in, there was a couple of times where wife was mowing and I was sitting in the shade with a glass of wine and a book. My neighbor who managed the Texaco plant would wander over and he tried to throw down some guilt my way: but it was no sale. She wanted the yard, I didn't. I wanted to climb, she didn't. Thought it worked out pretty good.
What I use to do was called by some* as laziness. Now it's being called being a good steward intellegent caring and being environmentally conscious*.
Ahead of the pack I say....
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c wilmot
climber
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Nov 18, 2016 - 09:35am PT
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I had no idea the Lewiston and trinity dams diverted water to the Sacramento valley. That is bad news- those watersheds won't supply California's agricultural needs. I always did wonder about those dams. Thanks dmt- learn something new every day.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 18, 2016 - 09:36am PT
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Just because they hire illegal immigrants to grow crops on their land with publicly funded water, for their own personal profit, does not make them holy. Amen. I've never bought into the argument that farmers are somehow doing a public service since they grow food to "feed people". They are businessmen and women, and if they didn't do it, someone else would. Moreover, given the amount of product sent overseas, they are really stealing a public resource, with government and taxpayer support. What other industry permits this?
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