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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 13, 2013 - 01:32am PT
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Tiffany said:
For what it's worth, I did talk to the Bethlehem police and I need to head into the station to sign a declaration making Matt's disappearance official in his hometown; something we've yet to do. They told me over the phone they should be able to help in obtaining some of the records we're after.
I believe that least three sources of info (maybe more) are being pursued that may help us figure out where Matt went on July 17th:
-Attempts by Detective Hornbeck (and maybe potentially by the Bethlehem police to get access to Matt's email accounts.
-Attempts by Detective Hornbeck to interview the Morales family.
-Attempts by SplitPants (and Ron or Tiffany?) to get info from the Mammoth Library network Admin person regarding what websites and pages Matt might have accessed, especially on July 16th.
I hope that at least some of these attempts will get some useful info soon, to help narrow things down so those boots have a better chance to be on the right piece of ground...
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Sep 13, 2013 - 05:49am PT
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There is NO beauty in social media
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KellyDoesntClimb
Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
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Sep 13, 2013 - 08:24am PT
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Love the ideas about the map. I can easily change those things now that I'm using mapsengine.
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Ikat
Social climber
Carson City
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:06am PT
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As Cragman says, let's get back to the facts and work from there.
The summitpost activity is consistent with administrative activity. I don't see the need to pursue that issue.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:20am PT
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I logged on to Matts SuperTopo account on the 11th. The admins reset his password for me and I was checking something. ~ Ron
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James Wilcox
Trad climber
Goleta/Virginia Lakes
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Sep 13, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
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Getting three, four, five different threads going, and keep bumping to the front page will not win you friends.
Here's the reality of the situation. You have very few known facts. Matt was staying at Shady Rest, his car was getting fixed, and he bought something at Rite Aid.
The logical assumptions based on Matt's missing gear is a day hike with snow/ice on the agenda. Most likely out of Agnew since he had no transportation(that we know of).
You window of opportunity in accessing the most likely areas he may have ventured to is closing fast. And once it closes your done for the next eight months. If we get a decent winter getting 15-20 feet of snow is not uncommon. We've had two sub par winters in a row, so areas that typically hold snow are free. For now. But if we start having regular snow levels some spots, spots that may hold evidence of Matt could stay buried, even during the summer.
I'm not sure of all the pros and cons, if Cragman decides to respond to this, great. But offering a decent reward may get people who live on the Eastside willing to venture back there. Even that's a long shot. Fossett crashed a plane, started a small fire, and had a $10,000 reward and it still took a year and luck to come across him.
I'm in the process of getting our cabin ready for winter here at VGL. That'll consume the next few weeks, than I'll head in myself for a few days.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Sep 13, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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I would make the assumption that Mr. Greene was not wandering aimlessly through 350 sq. miles of wilderness (though it is a possibility, e.g. if he had a stroke - BTW what is his medical history and that of his family?).
He most likely had a destination in mind. My suggestion is that 3-4 likely ones be chosen and the trails heading there be carefully searched. At this point I'd be looking for a backpack (frame at least) or ice axe, crampons which it was indicated above he was likely carrying.
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kenish
Gym climber
Orange County, CA
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Sep 13, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
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^Z Brown....exactly what Cragman and other volunteers have been doing, based on their expertise of the backcountry, climbing, and asking "What would Matt do?". It's been detailed several times in this thread, but I understand why you didn't read through it.
The past several posts bring up several good points...Fossett's very deep pockets and political clout weren't enough to get results. A hiker came across the scene by random chance. The search for Randy Morgenson also used SAR experts searching high-probability areas. They were within a few hundred feet of him several times and he wasn't spotted. In both those cases, plus Larry Conn's, the "first find" was an item (gear, aircraft parts) and it sometimes took a surprising amount of additional searching to find the person. A formidable task even when the itinerary and "place last seen" are more definite than Matt's.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Sep 13, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
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This seems a little strange even to me, but if somebody is looking for metal could a longer range metal detector be of any use?
Such a beast exists, though I can't look into it right now.
http://www.rangertell.com/
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 13, 2013 - 06:40pm PT
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Lol...that thing is nothing more than a calculator glued to a radio. It's the biggest scam on the Internet. -Ron.
Real metal detectors will "detect" everything in the ground, except what we need in this case.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 13, 2013 - 07:58pm PT
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Sep 13, 2013 - 09:13pm PT
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Hey rockhound, are you perhaps Lisa from Escondido?
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 13, 2013 - 09:23pm PT
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Nope, Wendy Hammarstrom.
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ctadlock
climber
Mammoth Lakes
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Sep 13, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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Ive been watching this thread for a while. I live here in Mammoth. Im heading out for a day hike on Sunday to explore the Reds Meadow - Iron Mt path...
http://highwire.stanford.edu/~galic/hiking/ironmountain/
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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Sep 13, 2013 - 09:46pm PT
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Boots on the ground team: I am waiting to hear from the Detective about Morales' and email accounts. If he is able to find information and we are all scattered over many threads, it may take longer to get the information you need to you...information that could steer you in the right direction.
Could we each head our posts with a heading: Boots on Ground, Email Enthusiast, and Problem Solvers so you can breeze over the topics that do not interest you? Some of us want to read it all to try to fit the pieces of the puzzle together.
Also, could the title to this thread say read all before you post? That would cut down on the repetition. That part is frustrating especially when new people chime in. (Like I did many pages ago)
There has to be a way to keep us all connected, yet make it tolerable for all. We all have the same goal, finding Matt.
Just a thought...
Supermama
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jeg
Social climber
center valley,Pa
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Sep 13, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
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CTADLOCK.....
If you run into anyone climbing Iron Mountain, could you please ask them to check the summit registry(if there is one) to see if Matt signed it July 17. Thanks!
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 14, 2013 - 09:56am PT
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There is a registry on iron but it was not checked. A church hiking group summited iron on 7/20, 7/21. At the time, they were not aware Matt was missing and did not take notice of the names. They also did not see anything strange on iron. -Ron
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 15, 2013 - 06:55pm PT
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Zbrown
That link to the lifesaving drone is amazing. Thanks for sharing.
Wish something like that could find Matt.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 15, 2013 - 06:58pm PT
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ctadlock,
Did you learn of anything on your hike in Red Meadows, Iron Mountain?
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