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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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Instead they were mostly Democrats….
Please point to the data in that article that shows that.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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Riley,
love it, change it, or leave it, but ease up just a bit there on the redundancy of saying the same thing over and over and over and ov,....
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:43am PT
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Regs?
Background checks through the ATF. EVERY gun purchase requires this. As far as I know this is a Fed Law across ALL states.
Not even close, depending on where you live. Even licensed firearms dealers may not be required to do a background check if they are not operating out of their primary place of business. Personal transactions too, as long as I don't KNOW you are a felon, I can sell you anything.
Last time I checked, there are no metal detectors at state borders or city limits, so in the absence of effective federal restrictions, local laws are irrelevant, serving only to supply the pro-gun lobby with talking points.
Ron's claim that he broke no laws when he purchased (or gave?) a gun to someone who was unable to purchase one himself, however noble the intent, shows how lacking the cultural and legal framework of responsibility is.
Speaking of effective, making something merely illegal is not likely to be effective, an effective law should frustrate the act. A cop was killed here in suburban Philly a few months ago by a gun acquired through a straw purchaser. The state legislature immediately enacted a law increasing the penalty for second-time convictions to 5-years! Second Time?????????
Straw purchasers are potential accessories or co-conspirators to murder and should be treated as such, but restrictions like one-gun-a-month would eliminate the financial potential, or at the very least drive up the price enough to prevent every gangster wannabe teenage kid or meth-head from buying one with pocket change.
TE
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:48am PT
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Poor Obama looks like he is in his 70's already..
thank goodness for this great man
lol
His is a good looking puppet. At least this new one can read unlike the Bush puppet.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:52am PT
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There are many on this thread who are NOT in favor of "meaningful reform"
Those same people then criticize efforts FOR "meaningful reform"
oh, by the way, it is not "one week", the deadline is the end of January
but you already knew that, because you never shoot your mouth off without getting the facts correct first
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monolith
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albany,ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:53am PT
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No later then January.
Does not mean "No later then January 1st"
Norton beat me to the obvious. Ron demonstrates his poor reading comprehension once again.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 20, 2012 - 11:56am PT
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Here's a thought!
Why don't we do NOTHING!
You guys already do that, nothing new.
Sitting on an internet forum talking sh!t is doing nothing ......
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Dec 20, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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TradEddie,, i DID NOT BREAK ONE LAW ,, i REPEAT NOT ONE in acquiring a firearm for a legal exchange student.. NOT ONE ,, IS THIS MIC ON!???
I never said you did, my point is that the fact that you could legally provide one to someone who presumably was unable to get one legally himself shows how inadequate the laws are.
Oh, and I have WRITTEN (pen, paper and stamp) my representative.
TE
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Dec 20, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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you are the master of useless Mental Speculation
i dunno about that...sometimes i think you guys are long lost bros.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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Ron, did you buy the gun from a federally licensed dealer?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
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Ron, did you buy the gun from a federally licensed dealer?
Yep Mono..
And My African buddy did indeed make it home.
Then you broke the law.
I advise you to delete your posts.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
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This thread has devolved into the most pathetic form of navel-gazing. Carry on.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
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Not to interrupt this productive discussion, but I have a suggestion.
All of the school shootings are by white 16-28 year old males who all seem to be victims of some sort of bullying early in life. Thats why they come back and act out on schools.
We see innocent 6 and 7 year olds, but lets face it, kids can be incredibly cruel.
I think that we can reduce the number of these tragedies by using multiple strategies at once that include proactively dealing with bullying, reducing or limiting time on desensitizing violent video games, and encouraging responsible gun ownership which means not only kid proofing your guns but also gun proofing your kids.
Oh,.. and one other thing; truly parent your kids instead of outsourcing.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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As I learn more about the gun industry and the NRA over the last few decades the I'm more disgusted with them. This is coming from a gun owner.
They have basically done all they can to put military weapons in the hands of civilians, because hunting is declining so they need another revenue stream. They scare people into thinking they need assault rifles, armor piercing bullets, and sniper rifles. And you hear their rediculous talking points popping up here on the taco from the anti gun control folks.
For example I've read here: "assault weapons aren't a real thing, it's just cosemetic differences, it's the same as a hunting rifle.". B.S. The main failure of the 1994 assault weapons ban was they did include those cosemtic differences (collapsing stock, bayonet mount, flash suppressor) along with the most importnat thing: the ability to take high capacity clips. And said you just have two of those things. Dumb politicians. So Bushmaster took all the cosmetic differences off and just kept one thing: the ability to use a high capacity clip. And they took off and the other manufactureres played catch up. Oh what brand did the killer in Conn. use? Bushmaster. F*#kers.
The desire to have access to high capacity mags and armor piercing bullets is greatly outweighed by having them around and getting in the wrong hands and killing innocent people.
Another disgusting thing, the NRA got some asswipe congressman (guess which party?) to attach riders to bills outlawing the release of information from the ATF and CDC on what guns are used in what crimes. We have an epidemic of gun violence but we can't even know the facts because the gun industry is afraid it will hurt sales, or lead to bans of things that make them money. Despicable.
Guns aren't the only thing we need to look at. We should take an all of the above strategy to reducing this type of violence. But in Conn. multiple people tried to stop the killer and were killed, he shot everyone multiple times to make sure they were dead, and as soon as the cops showed up the killer committed suicide. So it's extremely likely that the high capacity clips the killer used meant more children died than would have if he didnd't have these clips. Again: Is it really so important to have high capcity weapons if it means more children die?
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
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You better hope it was legal to make straw purchases from federally licensed dealer in 1979. I doubt it.
I don't have to prove anything. I'm not stupid enough to make a purchase like that and blab about it.
It's a difficult law to enforce, unless you confess.
You confessed.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
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THE reason I bought it for him was that he DIDNT have the funds nor the experience as ive already explained.
Too much noise in this thread for me to find where you explained it that way, perhaps you've more time to look. What you originally said was you bought a gun for someone who couldn't buy one himself, our misinterpretation is more than understandable.
Either way, you bought a gun for someone with the full knowledge that he intended to break the laws of another country with it. Legally (not morally) how is that different to those who bought guns in the USA to provide to the IRA?
Remember, it's not you I'm criticizing here, its the lack of laws.
What I'm amazed hasn't happened yet is some terrorist cell coming over here, visit a bunch of gun shows, then all get together at some large public gathering... You do the math as to what ten well-armed people could do. You think that would change people's minds about how trivially easy it is to buy guns here?
TE
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
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I'm not trying to convict you Ron. Just giving you a heads up. Better hope interested authorities don't care now either.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 20, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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The statute of limitations is clearly over for a non-violent crime if such a thing even did happen in 1979...
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