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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 16, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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Deniers are outnumbered 3 to 1.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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It was a joke. A pun. Directed at no one.
OK Einstein, who is the "you" in your sentence:
Perhaps you can provide the parts of those reports, where the subject was covered in depth (ba dum bump).
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 16, 2014 - 04:53pm PT
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Exactly why I posted it.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2014 - 05:11pm PT
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Sketch, you said I was an "as#@&%e troll." Golly, I was just politely asking you to post up another one of your plots. They are so informative. Why did you jump on my case?
EDIT:
Taking Sketch's definition of "polite" out for a spin.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:44pm PT
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Some Fear Ebola Outbreak Could Make Nation Turn to Science
By Andy Borowitz
NEW YORK (The Borowitz Report)—There is a deep-seated fear among some Americans that an Ebola outbreak could make the country turn to science.
In interviews conducted across the nation, leading anti-science activists expressed their concern that the American people, wracked with anxiety over the possible spread of the virus, might desperately look to science to save the day.
“It’s a very human reaction,” said Harland Dorrinson, a prominent anti-science activist from Springfield, Missouri. “If you put them under enough stress, perfectly rational people will panic and start believing in science.”
Additionally, he worries about a “slippery slope” situation, “in which a belief in science leads to a belief in math, which in turn fosters a dangerous dependence on facts.”
At the end of the day, though, Dorrinson hopes that such a doomsday scenario will not come to pass. “Time and time again through history, Americans have been exposed to science and refused to accept it,” he said. “I pray that this time will be no different.”
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
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If it ducks like a quack,
it must be a denier.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
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Cheap oil:
the perfect time to increase fuel taxes to a proper amount.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 16, 2014 - 05:54pm PT
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Stand down Norton, I'm not going to delete it.
Good. It's been an interesting ride and for a while at least I learned a lot from it, probably not what folks think but it's all kind of data. Also k-man has managed to keep his dignity more or less intact through the whole circus, with a tone set by the first line 28 thousand posts ago.
I read a funny quote: We're treating Mother Earth like Keith Moon treated a hotel room.
There have also been a good range of other smart interesting folks kicking in here, who I wouldn't otherwise have got to know. Ed and I collude on the Left Coast now and then, but I'd look forward to sharing a beer or belay sometime with Wilbeer, Bruce, Monolith, FM, Malemute, Splater, TLP, Raymond and others who stood out here.
I wince a bit when someone else deletes a thread I gave any thought to; seems like it's not simply their thing any more. Although I fully understand how someone's sensitive personal thread could turn painful when idiots start shouting, so deletion seems the only way out.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 16, 2014 - 05:55pm PT
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Too bad so many true believers think anyone who isn't a true believer (61%) is an ignorant scumbag Denier.
That's an interesting way to look at it.
My view is that most folks, when presented with the scientific discoveries about climate change, would appreciate the amount or research that has gone into the subject, and upon hearing the overwhelming evidence that the Earth's warming is caused by what we're doing, would be convinced that we must change our ways.
But, the "deniers" who, after months of being shown the scientific evidence, still remain staunch in their beliefs that the Earth is either not warming or the warming isn't caused by human activity, are denying the evidence based on their belief system, and not on scientific study or empirical evidence.
"Scumbag" is your word. Ed and Chiloe are nice enough to avoid true name calling, but as a reader of this thread, I've had it with the contempt and the outright aggressively negative attitude of the "deniers."
Look around you. There are plenty of "deniers" on this thread. But, there are certain folks who want a fight, so they begin to throw around insults, and passive-aggressive and unfriendly attacks.
I find it hard to not be triggered when folks come here to nicely share their knowledge, only to be riddled with insults by some asshat.
So yeah, there are a few "scumbag" deniers. However, I find that most are just ignorant of the real, hard research that's been done. And hence my opening remark about the right-wing propaganda. The hundreds of million$ that have been poured into a campaign to fuel the ignorance. I understand those that are boonlicked by Fox News and all. But the ones who have access to real scientists, and still act like children, unsettle me.
I've though of deleting this thread many times over. But I've kept it here because I have learned a tremendous amount about a subject that's near and dear to my heart--the Earth and the living systems of which I'm a part. I suppose some of that information is directly due to the "deniers," I could never ask the deep questions about the science that you guys dig up from your favorite bolgs.
That said, the lewd and distasteful posts are out of hand and they are getting close to outweighing the good things that have been added to this thread.
Cheers, all.
PS. Thanks Chiloe.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:28pm PT
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For a while now we've been entertained by a parade of Graphs Waved by People Who Can't Read Them. To broaden the game I'll contribute this one from the interwebs. It turns out that global air temperatures took off like a rocket after 2010, warming at double the 1975-2010 rate.
So much for that pause! And the steep slope in this graph is statistically significant too! Numerically literate readers may get how that statement can be at the same time perfectly true and utterly meaningless.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:44pm PT
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K-MAN,Chiloe,ED,Bruce,etal.
I am a progressive ,there is only one way to HELP our problem,I live it,locally and beyond .
One of the things that brought me here was my background and observations of Climate Changing,mostly in the mountains where I have been.Not to mention I WORK with renewable energy.
These folks have been changing the goal posts in this for years.
They talk out of the side of their mouths.
That must be confronted.But this crop,is tiring.
Cheers.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 16, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
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You are the only person here that uses the word "hate" ,The Chief.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 16, 2014 - 07:09pm PT
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Oct 16, 2014 - 07:10pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Oct 16, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
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This entire thread is one stoooooooooooopid ass political joke. Nothing more or less. And you make it so.
maybe so, Rick
but assuming you are right, why then do you post on this thread?
is it really just for entertainment, just curious?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 16, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
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You know, I don't drink, haven't for near thirty years now, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy a beer for the pleasurable consumption of any of you enviro wack jobs, save one. As far as I can tell he is the only poster here feeding from the AGW trough to support soft science studies.
Chiloe, I would buy you a beer, but promptly pour it over your head.
As far as rising sea levels goes, there have been studies as recent as last year finding deceleration in sea level rise in the last decade. A single new study is not the end all on this question of rise rate.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 09:48pm PT
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Pardon me. I was referring to the "global average surface temperature", which was the only metric used until 2007, when it became apparent The Hiatus wasn't ending anytime soon.
Funny how they changed the rules after wailing over rising global average surface temperatures for 20+ years.
From AR4 WGI report, chapter 9
"Human-induced warming of the climate system is widespread. Anthropogenic warming of the climate system can be detected in temperature observations taken at the surface, in the troposphere and in the oceans. Multi-signal detection and attribution analyses, which quantify the contributions of different natural and anthropogenic forcings to observed changes, show that greenhouse gas forcing alone during the past half century would likely have resulted in greater than the observed warming if there had not been an offsetting cooling effect from aerosol and other forcings."
published in 2007, prepared before then...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 16, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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Well Frosty, you're somewhat of an enigma since, unlike most of the other programmed robots here, you still at times exhibit the ability to shed the cloak of externally approved authorized thought to achieve a degree of self organized trains of logic. Sometimes anyway, and only after self administering just the right variety and quantities of rot gut.
As for your brother in arms, the one you aptly name as malnuts; what are his qualifications for judgement of the opposition? Is he a practicing climate scientist, or a published physicist, mathematician, or a published scientist of any kind? I consulted google scholar and could find exactly zero citations accredited to Malnuts.
So, what I'm getting at Frosty, the crux of the matter; is if you are currently in the right state of "mix", and capable of an entrainment of logic, why would you accept as authority the virulent slander of Mr. Malnuts?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 16, 2014 - 10:48pm PT
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from the Second Assessment Report WG1 (1995)
"Because of the thermal inertia of the oceans, only 50-90% of the eventual equilibrium temperature change would have been realised by 2100 and temperature would continue to increase beyond 2100, even if concentrations of greenhouse gases were stabilised by that time."
"Any changes in the radiative balance of the Earth, including those due to an increase in greenhouse gases or in aerosols, will tend to alter atmospheric and oceanic temperatures and the associated circulation and weather patterns. These will be accompanied by changes in the hydrological cycle (for example, altered cloud distributions or changes in rainfall and evaporation regimes)."
"It is likely that much of the rise in sea level has been related to the concurrent rise in the global temperature over the last 100 years. On this time-scale, the warming and consequent expansion of the oceans may account for about 2 to 7 cm of the observed rise in sea level, while the observed retreat of glaciers and ice-caps may account for about 2 to 5 cm."
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