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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:21am PT
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a yearly The Chief winter forecast for California...
once again demonstrating his cluelessness...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2014 - 09:38am PT
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At least you are honest ...
Yes, I am.
But is this your way of saying that you cannot plot the data? This sure looks like an elaborate dodge.
Can you also be honest, for once?
@Sketch, with your That's some impressive hypocrisy remark.
Please show me how this is hypocritical. I never said I was a scientists.
Never once posted a plot (as you have done). Never once claimed I knew what they even meant, as you have done.
But, I do ask you to explain the relevance of the plots you post. Never have you been successful in doing so.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Oct 15, 2014 - 10:21am PT
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The chuff likes to project his worst traits onto others. Must make him feel good/secure.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 15, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
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From:
At least you are honest ...
Yes, I am.
To:
At least you are honest in your true intent... HYPOCRITE!
Yes, I am.
Dishonesty at its finest.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 15, 2014 - 06:29pm PT
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Speaking of overly stuffed shirts expounding on their expertise: who among you has not had to endure old Frostyback The Snowman (aka Bruce K) bloviate about his vast world class knowledge of avalanche conditions and mitigation measures gleaned in his seasonal employ as a snow shoveler working alongside other low wage undocumented imports. I can see him now, showing the new recruits his true expertise by shoveling a menacing buildup with one hand and not spilling the ever present bottle in the other.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 15, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
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zzzzz...
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Oct 15, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
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Wake up dirtbag. Rick was talking about your mancrush BruceK.
Remember there is no global warming.
For too long the western world has been misled by alarmist claims
that a tiny trace of CO2 gas in the air will
cause big time global warming. The ongoing drama of
natural climate change, global temperatures are the result
of far greater forces. Climate research should focus
more on the cycles of the sun and solar system
and their effect on global climate and on
the periodic eruptions along our vast
sub-marine volcanic belts.
These control the ebb and
flow of ice ages and most of the many
extinction events that Earth has suffered.
Viv Forbes,
Rosewood Qld Australia
http://carbon-sense.com
Extinction of Warmists stupidity will be a welcome event.
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 15, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
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^^^^zzzzzzz...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:08pm PT
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Who is the next wackadoodle, Frosty The Snowman? Not a chance, hell would freezeover first.
Now Kelly is another matter, and with him all the loonies posting here. One can hope.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 15, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
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Per Chief's post with the graphs of temperature discrepancies:
The problem is that there are NO good measurements of the polar areas, so ALL of the methods use various statistical fills for those areas, which explains the difference in slope/trend for these 2:
Gistemp and HadCrut4(kriged by Cowtan & Way) use different methods to try to try to reconstruct the Arctic area. You might not like it, but all the other methods are no better and likely worse accuracy.
Ocean temp and sea level are likely better indicators of the heat imbalance, since that is where 95% of the heat ends up.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/11/global-warming-since-1997-underestimated-by-half/
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/01/global-temperature-2013/
Furthermore, some of the methods use different baseline periods, so they are offset by a certain amount, which needs to be subtracted, as explained
http://www.woodfortrees.org/notes#wti
And per the chart on Sea Level Rise,
obviously 18000 years ago an ice age was ending,
so that has no relevance to recent sea level rise acceleration.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 15, 2014 - 10:31pm PT
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You could always use the gistemp version that I believe is mostly used. The one that also use the sst instead of the one that doesn't.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 15, 2014 - 10:39pm PT
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I guess that the high sea level rise in your graph might have something to do with the last ice age...
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 15, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
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Ok, I get it. 2-3 m sea level rise doesn't matter because the rate was higher after the last ice age.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 15, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
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The change is in Level per KILOYEAR.
The graphs in my links are a better way to see it.
NONE of that change from 18000 to 6000 years ago has anything to do with today,
nor did billions of people in cities have to adjust major infrastructure 14000 years ago.
In fact, 14000 years ago peoples culture was adapted to Huge rises in sea level, for instance by not building skyscrapers on the coast.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 15, 2014 - 11:09pm PT
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All models of climate change have a quite delayed reaction for ice melting, so today's rate of 3.3mm per year is in no way a good predictor of the future.
Except that even now you can see that the rate is Accelerating.
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raymond phule
climber
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Oct 15, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
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Ah, the one I posted above IS from your link. Something wrong with that one now?
No, nothing wrong with it except that you don't understand what is shows.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Oct 15, 2014 - 11:16pm PT
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Also, the sea level rise before 1955 does roughly track global temperatures, which rose from a combination of natural variation and some CO2.
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