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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 28, 2015 - 08:27am PT
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Please answer this simple poll question.
Name one thing that the Conservatives have done for America that has been a good thing for our Nation or people.
A law, a policy, a movement
Interstate Highway System
NASA
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
OSHA
EPA
Ended US involvement in Vietnam
Ended the Cold War
1986 Immigration Reform Act
Reaganomics
Some economists have stated that Reagan's policies were an important part of bringing about the second longest peacetime economic expansion in U.S. history. During the Reagan administration, the American economy went from a GDP growth of -0.3% in 1980 to 4.1% in 1988 (in constant 2005 dollars), averaging 7.91% annual growth in current dollars. This reduced the unemployment rate by 1.6%, from 7.1% in 1980 to 5.5% in 1988. A net job increase of about 21 million also occurred through mid-1990. Reagan's administration is the only one not to have raised the minimum wage. The inflation rate, 13.5% in 1980, fell to 4.1% in 1988, which was achieved by applying high interest rates by the Federal Reserve (peaking at 20% in June 1981). The latter contributed to a relatively brief recession in late 1981 and early 1982 where unemployment rose to 9.7% and GDP fell by 1.9%.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 28, 2015 - 08:29am PT
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Interstate Highway System
NASA
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
OSHA
EPA
Ended US involvement in Vietnam
Ended the Cold War
1986 Immigration Reform Act
None of these are considered to be Conservative Ideas, they are liberal progress.
The current Conservatives have defunded or tried to eliminate most of the above
Reaganomics
Voodoo economics that trickled up trillions from the Gov. and the working class. It was easy for them to make it look like it was working because they were running up billions in debt stimulating the economy.
So many regulations were gutted that it will take a century to undo all the damage these Reaganites did.
What has been the cost? $17 trillion in debt, high unemployment, low wages and one of the highest wealth disparity in the civilized world!!
We still live in the world of Reaganomics, it hasn't gone away, the tax rates are still the same, we'll still giving away Gov. money to profiteers and starving it of funds so it can't do it's job.
I guess the question has to be more specific
What Conservative plan, law or policy has been good for our Nation?
Telling me about Conservatives instituting liberal policies doesn't answer the central point of the question.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 28, 2015 - 10:10am PT
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Locker...LMAO
I couldn't read the name on the record, hope it was disco
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 28, 2015 - 12:15pm PT
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Hey Ken,
I kinda answered your question.
"If a person tries to support a family on minimum wages, well I would say there would be tremendous motivation to develop marketable skills. Otherwise a minimal government safety net should be provided, which has been the case for some time."
I don't think anyone advocates throwing the disadvantaged to the wolves. That is one of the situations that social welfare services are for.
Larry, I'm going beyond vague statement, and using something very specific, which you did NOT answer.
I would interpret your answer as meaning that you would consider those with an IQ of less than 100 to be disadvantaged, and eligible for the safety net, as the cannot be expected to provide well for themselves??
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 28, 2015 - 12:19pm PT
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Chief,
I've not seen you give any definitive answer to the question of whether there is any legal limitation on the President's Constitutional pardon power??
You've tried a couple of "bait and switches", but I think those have been effectively knocked down.
Do you agree with the Conservative lawyers I heard on the radio, that the Supreme Court is very unlikely to decide against the President??
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 28, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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US University enacts Christian Sharia Law:
Sharia law? What happened to the openly gay students? Were they beheaded? Stoned to death?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 28, 2015 - 01:13pm PT
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Ken,
I am not a policy wonk or expert in how well low IQ individuals provide for themselves.
Sometimes I do wonder if IQ tests for voting should be implemented...
But then I consider my own standing. ;-)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 28, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
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Well, Larry, I'm guessing that you don't know that by the way IQ testing is designed, 1/2 of all test takers are below 100.
100 is the artificially designed average.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Feb 28, 2015 - 01:49pm PT
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100 is the artificially designed average.
No, 100 is the mathematically defined MEDIAN. The average is a little below 100, since there is an upper limit on how smart people can be, but no limit to how dumb they can be.
TE
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 28, 2015 - 05:04pm PT
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Ken,
I did not know 100 was average, or the median.
I suppose they're not disadvantaged.
But then it does sound like they're pretty near Romney's 47%.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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What are Conservative values?
Well if you look at action rather than talk, you would come up with a list like this;
Anti-Abortion, Anti-women's rights, Anti-birth control, Anti-LGTB, Anti-minority, Anti-legal immigration, Anti-equality, anti-science, anti-education, anti-public services,
Pro Military, Pro increasing the military spending, militarization of our Police, Militarization of out Borders, more public Surveillance
Lower tax rates for the rich, higher taxes for the low wage earners,
lower taxes for big Corporations, More Monopolistic Corporate Takeovers, more Free Trade deals with China and who ever, so we can off shore more jobs
Spend less on public education, make college expensive, keep Grads in debt,
pay teachers crap wages
Don't invest in the infrastructure, don't create jobs, refuse to take any action that will improve our economy
Get rid of the EPA and allow big Corps to pollute all they want, or at least give a special exemption for the Koch bros to skirt all regulations.
Privatize SS and Medicare, repeal ObamaCare, eliminate food stamps, eliminate the safety net, defund the Gov. etc.
Make America a Christian Theocracy.
There are a lot more Great Conservative values I'm sure, but when you vote for Conservatives, this is what you are voting for.
You may like your Conservative Congressman, he may be his own person and not sold out, and he has good ideas or whatever. It doesn't matter, John Boehner runs the show and is running the Republican Party for his puppet Masters, and you will get what they want, not some of what the lowly smart guy with good ideas wanted.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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As an example of how the MSM has swayed way to the right without any backlash or exposure.
This issue of "The Economist" has an endorsement article about Scott Walker as a great Presidential candidate.
He squashed unions, lower taxes on the rich blah blah
Now he wants to cut $300 million a YEAR from their State University Programs.
because you know, all those University of Wisconsin Madison liberals are protesting his conservative agenda..
and Cutting $300 million is Good thing for the economy, right???
Years ago, Bill O'Reilly said the Madison students "commune with Satan"
Now what is not bias about giving Scott Walker credentials as a viable candidate, and then several other articles that rip on Obama and Hillary.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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100 is the artificially designed average.
No, 100 is the mathematically defined MEDIAN. The average is a little below 100, since there is an upper limit on how smart people can be, but no limit to how dumb they can be.
TE
Not quite right. The commonly thought of definition of "average" is the MEAN, which you allude to, however, it can mean several different things, which would include MODE.
However, we aren't talking to a group of statisticians, here. the three different averages are, for all practical purposes, the same.
By the way, you are factually wrong about the limits, which are just the opposite. You can't be below Zero, but you can be above 200.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Craig, you forgot one thing.
3 decades of track record showing Republicans
Radically expand the government and it's budget and massively balloon the deficit whenever their guy is in the presidency.
Hamstring the budget and cry deficit whenever the opposition has the presidency.
Shrewd political moves that screw the people.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Good points
Yes, Mark Levin is a loon
you can call BS on everyone of his BS talking points
And he has 1000s of ditto heads thinking he is genius speaking truth to power
Of course they don't know that he is just another well paid liar for anyone with lot's of money and "Oh MY WORD"!!
He's a Jew.
And
Almost every cent of our over $17 trillion in debt has been due to Conservative policies,
Reaganomics as a economic strategy has been proven as a complete failure and nothing more than another Big Lie that they tried to pass off on us so they can rob the system.
Where did that $17 Trillion go??
Directly to profiteers.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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3 decades of track record showing Republicans
Radically expand the government and it's budget and massively balloon the deficit whenever their guy is in the presidency.
Yep!
I finally learned that the way to lower taxes and smaller government is to NOT vote republican.
Politicians in general seem to be unable to accomplish what they say.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The Democrats only had a 60 Senate Vote Majority of 4 months
Which was a total of 27 working days.
The Democrats never were able to enact any of their polices except the Stimulus and ObamaCare.
I guess they weren't able to undo every Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II bad policy during that short time.
And ever since then, there has been no Democratic progressive policies put forward that have passed.
we are still living under their policies, the tax rates, the Corporate regulations, the anti-progress attitude, nothing has changed, the Repubs won't allow reasonable tax rates.
They control the Government through inaction.
That's what the Republicans voted for.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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