The Massive Ark on the Moon (very OT, but of high interest)

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monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Oct 13, 2010 - 12:39pm PT
Isn't Dick Cheney reptilian as well?
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Oct 13, 2010 - 12:45pm PT
what linda says unfortunately jibes with what's being said in other quarters, notably the popular david icke. she's probably been marginalized enough that you won't have to worry about her--as much as bill cooper. and yes, mono, that's the buzz on cheney.

wish you hadn't reminded me about my roof--busted my butt trying to cork a small leak a year ago, to no avail.

what i find so comforting, no matter what your take on this, is that the people of the world are perceived to be enough of a threat that all this trouble is being taken for secrecy. i'd put us up one notch from rats in the laboratory.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 13, 2010 - 12:50pm PT
Tom,
Inspiring eloquence!

I found this guy spying on us from the fern by the front door.
My wife, having been raised amongst witch doctors in Africa, sensed his
nefariousness. I stood up for him and tried to show him that we bore him
no ill will and, in fact, welcome him and his ilk.

monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Oct 13, 2010 - 12:53pm PT
Tony, did you find Clyde to be difficult?

The hikeout is downhill fer christ sake.

Did you need to rest overnight in Red's Meadow so you could drive home?

Peter Croft would have done 5 peaks in that time.

I've done it twice and it was frickin easy to get back to the bay area on summit day.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 13, 2010 - 01:06pm PT
Carrying on with the "Klimmer is Lucifer" thesis, and referring of course to Milton, the cast of major satanic characters:

Beelzebub - Satan’s second-in-command. Beelzebub discusses with Satan their options after being cast into Hell, and at the debate suggests that they investigate the newly created Earth. He and Satan embody perverted reason, since they are both eloquent and rational but use their talents for wholly corrupt ends. Tony Bird, maybe?

Belial - One of the principal devils in Hell. Belial argues against further war with Heaven, but he does so because he is an embodiment of sloth and inactivity, not for any good reason. His eloquence and learning is great, and he is able to persuade many of the devils with his faulty reasoning. bmacd?

Mammon - A devil known in the Bible as the epitome of wealth. Mammon always walks hunched over, as if he is searching the ground for valuables. In the debate among the devils, he argues against war, seeing no profit to be gained from it. He believes Hell can be improved by mining the gems and minerals they find there. NWO.

Mulciber - The devil who builds Pandemonium, Satan’s palace in Hell. Mulciber’s character is based on a Greek mythological figure known for being a poor architect, but in Milton’s poem he is one of the most productive and skilled devils in Hell. Suggestions?

Moloch - A rash, irrational, and murderous devil. Moloch argues in Pandemonium that the devils should engage in another full war against God and his servant angels. Definitely RJ.

It appears that graniteclimber is an incarnation of the archangel Michael, guarding us with a flaming sword, helped by healyje.
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Oct 13, 2010 - 01:53pm PT
Tom said Linda, whom he trusts and has researched this stuff extensively said:
I think one of the most amazing things about our ‘society’ is that there are so many people that have a firm grasp on what they consider to be ‘reality’; particularly when you look at all the incredible inconsistencies between people’s belief systems. I also consider it incredible, considering the number of nukes on the planet and the number of fanatic idiots on the planet; that we haven’t had more nuclear events. I find it a rather ordinary consequence of a barbaric society that people show each other so little respect, particularly when discussing alternative views on the nature of the world.

Anyway I promised to be straight with you about what I know; and the wild idiot hunters on the taco already suspect I am an even wilder idiot than is immediately obvious. So here goes on what Linda told me yesterday (the latest update on a lifelong research trail by her):

Linda believes that government insiders are madly withholding their knowledge for fear of upsetting everything that people think they know about ourselves and religions and the sciences; thereby collapsing what little structure is still holding our society together; and their tenuous hold on control of it. The stock market is already upside down over the greed of the kleptocrats. So just imagine how this news will affect confidence in the monetary system. However she also believes that our best chance for survival as a species consists of open revelations and honesty about what is known and working together to fix the overwhelming problems on the planet.

Part of the problem is that these government insiders have built such a network of lies and secrecy over the past 6o years that nobody believes much of anything they say to us anymore. So if they make an attempt at honest revelation on subjects that they have been pushing to be wild speculation; it will just release societal meltdown. That’s why you see instead so many heavily funded SiFi shows.

Linda believes that humans are genetically engineered experiments by entities that have been managing our development for longer than any recorded history. They are not ‘aliens’. These entities are perhaps on the order of a million years ahead of us in their development. She believes we have about as much influence on them as the lab animals in the secret high-tech Stanford dungeon have on the human medical research community. She believes our scientific and technical development progress is based upon little teasers that get dropped in the lap of some of our ‘geniuses’ (I’ve had NASA ‘geniuses’ reveal this to me). One of the results of this force-feeding is that we completely misunderstand some of what we consider to be our own knowledge of the sciences. Linda believes that part of the chaos in our society is created by the fact that not one, but several competing groups are involved: primarily the Nordics, the Little Greys, and the Reptilians. Linda believes that it is trivial for them to take on human form at will, so it is basically impossible to know when you are dealing directly with them. Linda believes that the Nazis are inspired by a Nordics enterprise to create a tall blond super race. And the Nordics are possibly the more sympathetic towards humans out of the three. Basically these creatures have about as much concern for the human race as our medical researchers have for big batches of lab rats. And we have about as much chance of confronting them militarily.

...what do you believe about all this Tom? Interesting that one of the people I climb with has recounted a good part of that to me. ie, that there are in fact Aliens on our planet, his version has 2 species. The greys and the bigger Greens. His version has the Greens being the "bosses" (I'm paraphrasing), and the Grey's, the little ones that we think of as aliens, are actually the Greens feedstock. Much like sheep.

Furthermore, he says a lot of what actually happens here on earth, isn't visible to the spectrum our eyes can see.

Interesting that a couple of prominent scientists who have seen space time also now believe that there are Aliens. For myself, I want some more evidence, but do not disbelieve it either.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Oct 13, 2010 - 02:09pm PT
what actually happens here on earth, isn't visible to the spectrum our eyes can see

Sounds like a conclusion me and a couple of buddies reached at a Grateful Dead show...
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Oct 13, 2010 - 02:32pm PT
Tom,

What Linda says makes sense to me. Sounds like a not so sugar coated version of Lou Baldins "A day with an Extraterristrial". His other book "In League with a UFO" is also very good. Linda did an interview with him a while back.

Thanks
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Oct 13, 2010 - 02:35pm PT
I must have wanderd into the acid casualty room here.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 13, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
I work professionally as a systems thinker and systems management framework designer. I have been clear that it appears to me very difficult to piece together the puzzle, and that in any case we have much to learn. My personal belief system is to learn and try to understand; not to seize on some world view and try to force all the pieces to fit.

When I put together all the pieces that I am pretty sure about, there are some very strange inconsistencies that are very difficult to explain.

However when I think about a lot of what is known to me and try to fit that into what Linda tells me; then a lot of those inconsistencies seem to be resolved by what I understand of her belief system.

(To my knowledge, Linda never touches anything stronger than a glass of wine over a fine dinner...)
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Oct 13, 2010 - 02:57pm PT
And too many good people coming out of the woodwork and risking their credibility by talking about what would otherwise be ridiculous malarky.


You assume that good people can't be fooled into thinking ridiculous things.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Oct 13, 2010 - 03:06pm PT
Begone, Moloch!
cliffhanger

Trad climber
California
Oct 13, 2010 - 03:16pm PT
Here's some wild stuff I found on: http://www.librarising.com/

The Grand Conspiracy

These Illuminati families completely know the agenda of these friendly Galactic Federation aliens who have come to our shores to support this planet into a better future. But these Illuminati families worked for evil and bad aliens called Zeta Grey aliens, these aliens have been eradicated by the Galactic Federation in the past few years. These little Grey Aliens did genetic manipulations on Earth humans and worked closely with the American Government through the auspices of the Illuminati. The Zeta Grey aliens in turn worked for the Reptoid aliens who had a base on the moon which used psychotronic weaponry on this planet.

http://www.librarising.com/conspiracy/grandconspiracy.html
Mike Bolte

Trad climber
Planet Earth
Oct 13, 2010 - 03:22pm PT
Boy do I feel naive. All these years I thought that this was just a silly TV show with bad sets and a too-small budget for costumes. Based on Tom's post I now realize it was an attempt to get humanity ready for the big revelation about the Lizard Rulers.


Reptoid aliens who had a base on the moon which used psychotronic weaponry on this planet.

Based on this thread, you have to believe that this above statement is true and you might suspect that their psychotronic weapons give them a little trouble now and then. Instead of mind control of the humans, they just stir up the brain a little bit and leave them confused and paranoid.

monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Oct 13, 2010 - 03:36pm PT
Why worry about disinfo agents when there are authors like Linda around who believe in reptilian aliens/humans?

Or do you think Linda is a disinfo agent too, RoKjox?
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Oct 13, 2010 - 04:06pm PT
Illuminati reptoid moon bases and reptilian/nordic/grey aliens who can take human form sound equally kooky to me.

One is disinfo and the other is not?
Port

Trad climber
San Diego
Oct 13, 2010 - 04:25pm PT
The phenomenon EXIST

The PERCEIVED phenomenon exists. The interpretation is something entirely different.
TomCochrane

Trad climber
I've lost track...
Oct 13, 2010 - 04:52pm PT
Linda has written extensively on everything that I've quoted from her. She's not keeping secrets; although she has told me some interesting stories that she hasn't published, because she hasn't been able to document the events. If you really want to know about this stuff, you should get her books. They are very thorough, with lots of high quality pictures and scans of many secret government documents with names, dates, places, and events.

You have no idea the shear volume of verifiable evidence she has gathered. It's easy to be a naysayer when you don't really know enough to evaluate what you do or don't know about it.

There was a time when I was very concerned by lack of physical evidence for some of the things she was telling me. That is no longer the case; there is lots of real evidence that you can walk up and touch. The only thing actually not available to us ordinary mortals is the ships and their inhabitants.

And note again, Linda feels that at least some of them are not aliens at all; but even more native to this planet than we are.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 13, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
Hard to mis-interpret a UFO shutting down a missile silo.


LMAO! now in your small mind it is proof?!?! LMAO some more....

isn't there a forum for fifth graders that is missing you?
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Oct 13, 2010 - 04:55pm PT
Tom wrote:

Linda believes that government insiders are madly withholding their knowledge for fear of upsetting everything that people think they know about ourselves and religions and the sciences; thereby collapsing what little structure is still holding our society together; and their tenuous hold on control of it.

Finally now have answers resolved on why we have spent/spend all our time arguing and protesting: Gays, “Don’t ask, Don’t tell”, gay marriages, evolution and also abortion. Look at all the time and monies spent; ending up in the Supreme Court, rule on it, out of the Supreme Court, back in the Supreme Court again. You would think that we would be over this stuff long ago.

Questions that a Politician must address before getting into office that are involved in influencing public policy and decision making or people who seek these positions. One other: “Are you currently or have in the past cheat/cheating on your wife”.

Couldn't figure it out but now know why.
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