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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Not a chance little guy
Why ?Do you see a correlation?
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Sketch
do you have a college degree and is it in social studies or science related?
thanks
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Chief, the earlier CO2 emissions are calculated values from knowns regarding carbon fuel consumption (wood, coal, gas, and oil burning) derived from economic records (commerce), population records, and the CO2 emissions associated with each type of fuel. It's been hashed out over about five decades and is pretty damn close. Nobody made that sh#t up; not how it works.
I'm sure that's been put out before on the thread. One mouth, two ears....
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Central England does not represent a global or even northern hemisphere average, Sketch.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2014 - 03:57pm PT
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I’ve seen many from here, but none like this.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Point to the uncertainties,not 1950 until now .
Oh no,not those,look at the ones where there MAY have been accuracy flaws.
You do your side well.
[golf clap in order]
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Does that make them completely irrelevant? Opinions vary.
what does the linear trend of SST with time have to do with climate?
My question to you, concerns the "cooling" period. It remains unanswered.
that would be "SST cooling" once again, what does it have to do with climate?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Then what was your point with the law dome graph, Sketch?
And yep, when you posted the graph below, you are claiming that the central England graph(red) is global average.
Sketch: That is so cool how the IPCC braintrust was able to rewrite the Medieval Warm Period.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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In other words Wilbeer, NO ONE GIVES A SHET about your AGW ideology other than you very few social eco freaks.
Happy to agree you are NO ONE.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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It's all been explained very well by IPCC scientists. Perhaps it is you who should dig further and not be so gullible.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Said correlation:
Great link Ed,thanks.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Read closely .
I know it will be contentious for someone who is
not a denier,
anti U.S.A.government,
thinks it is a hoax,
screams hypocrite,
screams ideologue,
just screams.
When is that organized denier/protest march again?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Oh.. your consist rhetoric that states that unless you understand the science, you have no place to argue it. Well, that is definitely not flying. It only makes you all look like complete narcissistic zealots. And is only turning the people off more each day.
so says the voice of 'the people.'
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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"riddled with assumptions"?
not sure what you're braying about now...
in 1896 Arrhenius estimated the temperature rise due to CO2 emissions from the energy production (mostly coal burning) of the industrial revolution. It was a great estimate given the time.
are you saying that the increases of CO2 are just coincidental?
if you are, do you care to explain where the CO2 is coming from if not from human activity, which matches the increases quite well, when you fold into it our increasing knowledge of the carbon cycle.
And do you care to explain where the CO2 we are emitting is going, if not into the atmosphere?
By the way, correlation is necessary for establishing causation, so it is quite reasonable that the two go together, especially when there is a cause, as there is in this case.
from http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/emis/prelim_2009_2010_estimates.html
where there are assumptions, there are tests for those assumptions... if you mean by "assumption" a hypothesis, those too are tested.
This is folded into the climate model, which is then checked against many different parameters... we often see the results of the SST predictions plotted with the observations, as in this plot:
where the models are doing quite well in predicting the SST averages. Including the CO2 emission history from the ORNL website I posted above.
Perhaps you have a better criticism than it just happens to agree by random chance, or even by some slight of hand... you have the opportunity to look at each step and provide a detailed criticism of it... if you had the skill to do that (which you do not).
So instead of having any technical criticism, you are making some story up about it and proclaiming it "reality", the only reality is a sorry one, that you actually believe that made up story yourself.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Why is the sharp rise in temps from 1910-1940 maladjusted downwards in the plot? Why is the plot only going to less than 2010 when it is now almost 2015? Why does the plot templine flatten from 2000 onwards when the GCM's continue upwards? Has Berkeley Earth adopted the phony infills of Cowtan and Way to exaggerate a rise over the last fifteen years when their was none, or so little it is within the range of uncertainty? Why do you Ed still incessantly try to pass off discredited excuses as science? Baffle the herd with bullshet, but please stop the same old song and dance with us.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Yes that's the graph Chief . Desperation has set in among the ranks, their ideology has hardened, scientific truth has been completely abandoned in the incessant propaganda stream, they sense it is now or never, real global problems of historic proportions will soon drown their agenda. Batten down the hatches and hold onto your hats, its going to be a wild ride over the next decade and global warming will be the very least of the worries.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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I laugh at you all the time Forty. Does that make me mean? I don't think so. Even a brainwashed retard like yourself can have a sense of humor.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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You know the difference between area and volume, Forty? I think not. In early 2013 you were on the arctic carastrophic melting bandwagon when I already knew that two unusually intense polar cyclones merely shifted the ice into small geographic locales without much ice mass loss. Looks like the quick arctic recovery proved me right and you wrong.
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