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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Considering one benefit of global warming...
http://blogs.rollcall.com/energy-xtra/eia-less-heating-in-warmer-winter/?dcz=
EIA: Less Heating in Warmer Winter
In developing models for estimating how much consumers are going to spend heating their homes this winter, the Energy Information Administration relied on a forecast that calls for a warmer than average winter.
The administration projected that customers will pay up to 34 percent less in heating costs this coming winter, depending on region and type of fuel – with the expectation that it will be 12 percent warmer this winter than last, when bitter cold sent prices soaring in parts of the country, and 4 percent warmer than the average since the winter of 2007 to 2008.
“If the weather cooperates, there is not going to be much of a problem,” said EIA Administrator Adam Sieminski. “We’re looking for heating bills across the country to be lower this year than last year.”
 Imagine a world where nobody has winter heating bills anymore?
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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^^^ funny ^^^
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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EVIDENCE as in the same various OBSERVED TEMPS Data that you all use for establishing the Surface and SS Temperature RECORD standard.
and what would that be? the "observed temps" data.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Denier Logic.....that hurt.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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you don't seem to get the major point, Sketch...
what does your linear trend line represent?
are you saying that your "model" of climate change is represented by a linear dependence of the SST on time? and that there are "inflections" of slope at various times?
how are the slopes of your linear trend dependent on physical parameters? the intercepts? and what about the variability?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Yes Chief and Sketch, amazing how the temp record mimiced our recent CO2 induced catastrophic warming, that is before it ended 15+/- years ago. Clear oscillations on our emergence from the depths of the LIA.
As far as the azzhats being handed their azzes, I wouldn't be so sure. With them voting early and often and every Juan, Manuel, Jose, and of course big Al Bagdaddy requiring no I.D. it will take the usually silent majority to turn out in force. Get to the polls all you non azzhats.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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so you mean observations of temperature like this:
and a comparison with the climate models
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Then of course there is Mr. Bruce Kay. I suspect you'll be motoring over with a load of fellow terrorists to also vote in our election.
Corrupted depiction of mal adjusted data Ed. But it also shows oscillations, just not as pronounced in the smoothed past.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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how is the data "mal adjusted" rick?
and what are the assumptions?
you're just pulling that out of your ass... you have no idea
here is the paper describing the process of building the SST data set from BEST, you can read it and respond with questions and criticisms:
http://scitechnol.com/2327-4581/2327-4581-1-103.pdf
I trust that when you use material from some source that is not your own, that you will provide citations to that source too (e.g. WUWT, etc)
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Okay Eddie, your taking a stance of defense of the maladjusted data but at least conceding the corrupted depiction. Good, we're making progress. Why should anyone read anymore of these silly papers, we've seen it all before. Supposed corrections are made, new algorithms applied and magically they always show cooling of past highs and warming of current Temps. I'm sorry Ed this a tired old game.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Rick, Sketch, Chief,
WTF are you guys smoking? Ed has laid it out as plainly as you could possibly ask for and you take snippets out of the data that are out of accord with the trend and go "what about this?" Are you kidding me? You sound like a bunch of first grade PITAs. You don't know the difference between weather and climate, short term data sets and trend lines, and the proposed and likely global adaptations to the observed climate shift by ocean gases and other adaptations.
You guys don't know the first thing about data collection, data analysis, modeling, or the process of peer-review. You guys need to get some education before you can really have a conversation with the guys here that have either a lot or at least some knowledge of the process of science. You guys are just talking out of your ass. You can shout out you bullshit in caps and bold over and over again figuring that people will start believing it, but it's still bullsh#t.
I've been on this thread a bit and I still can't figure out exactly what you guys are selling and what the point is. Can you clarify?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Come on, Ed. It's not complicated. Not nearly as complicated as you want to make it.
It's a simple question.
you're saying that climate science is simple? I thought you were arguing that climate science is complicated... you seem a bit confused.
Supposed corrections are made, new algorithms applied and magically they always show cooling of past highs and warming of current Temps.
it's good to see the rick accepts the scientific consensus that the climate is warming, and that he seems to accept the Arthur Clarke's 3rd law of prediction: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
unfortunately for rick, he doesn't possess the skills to understand the technology, so for him, it seems like magic.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 9, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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Hahahahahahaha....
Maybe it's time for The Chief to tell us another quote from his wife.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Denience / denientism [minor var. of Doublethink]
"The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them....To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth."
“The best books... are those that tell you what you know already.”
“It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
"The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt.... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies--all this is indispensably necessary."
“I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind except that you happen to be insane.”
“You are a slow learner, Winston."
"How can I help it? How can I help but see what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four."
"Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”
“Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else.”
-- George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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LOUISVILLE, Ky., Oct 8 (Reuters) - The developer of a Noah's Ark-based theme park in Kentucky said on Wednesday he would fight for his religious rights after state officials warned he could lose millions in potential tax credits if he hires only people who believe in the biblical flood.
Ark Encounter, which is slated to open in 2016 in Williamston, Kentucky, is not hiring anyone yet, but its parent company Answers in Genesis asks employees to sign a faith statement including a belief in creationism and the flood.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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I've always wondered if the creationist "museums" include protists on the guest list of the ark. Do they charge you a fee to use a microscope?
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Norton
Social climber
quitcherbellyachin
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Sketch said to Ed:
No, dumbass. I said the question is simple.
Sketch, just curious if you would, where did you go to college and what is your degree in?
thanks
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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what does a linear trend line (which you didn't calculate yourself even, you used the tool on your blog site) have to do with anything?
that is not a simple question. And I suspect you can't answer it.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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From NASA.
Let's see who can make a correlation.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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How come NASA did not.
You sure told me.
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