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Mimi
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Aug 12, 2011 - 01:26am PT
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Da Dweeb the Unlucky, you've missed the point once again. Your loved ones were not merely misunderstood. And they were hardly pirates. Butt pirates maybe.
Edit: And fella, just what is it that King Richard of Hindsight and Skidious do in exchange for your services as their faithful canary?
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 08:45am PT
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Da Dweeb the Unlucky, you've missed the point once again. Your loved ones were not merely misunderstood. And they were hardly pirates. Butt pirates maybe.
…Wait, what? …Hold on, I think I see where you’re going with this… So from my observation and interpretation of what you wrote, it is your interpretation of my post that I was attempting to tie in ethnocentric monoculturalism to the prevailing attitude of Yosemite Valley climbers at the time of the FA, and making a statement about Richard and Mark having differing norms, mores, and values which resulted in a cultural clash. Is that correct? …Hmm. I can see where that interpretation could come from. It’s no secret that I am a friend of Mark Smith and feel that a terrible injustice was done to him and Richard Jensen. Indeed, it’s certainly no secret that I stand firmly in support of them and their actions. Given an ambiguous post in which my intentions are not clear, I can see how it would be easy to believe that I was speaking metaphorically in order to try and demonstrate a point for the “Wings of Steel Team”. Though in truth at this point in time, I don’t really see or feel the need to restate or further elaborate on my opinion of those events.
In this instance, given Ammon’s status as ElCapPirate, and k-man’s tie-in to the Pirate Cultural Advisor position (well played, by the way, k-man), it seemed an enjoyable endeavor to Keep It Surreal by tying in the concepts of my recently completed course on Multiculturalism to proper cultural sensitivity in relation to persons who identify themselves as pirates. You know, the Melting Pot versus Salad Bowl analogy we have here in the states, the concept of the systemically privileged majority instilling their norms and values on disempowered groups, etc. except in this case in relation to the cultural identity of pirates, and the unfortunate diplomatic difficulties that may ensue. Ammon being an ElCapPirate, might not necessarily be able to generalize his own views to Somalian pirates, DVD pirates, “butt pirates” (also a microaggression), or for that matter, Musical Pirates.
So, no tie-in to the Wings of Steel climb was intended, nor do I see that as necessarily being needed or called for at this point in time. Though given your willingness to address me personally on the issue, I have been meaning to say something to you. Mimi, I’m sorry for the things I wrote about you 3.5 years ago, and I apologize. While I hope you will forgive me, I also understand if you don’t. By way of explanation, in the intervening years I’ve gained some perspective – every one of us is a human being with our own deep, intensely intimate and personal pain. I can understand that you, like me and every other human on the planet, have your own pain. I believe we all act on that pain in different ways that aren’t necessarily loving nor productive – this is part of being human. I forgive you for the pain that you have caused my mentor and friend Mark Smith, and I’m moving on from it in faith.
Edit: And fella, just what is it that King Richard of Hindsight and Skidious do in exchange for your services as their faithful canary?
I spiritually identify more with the raven than the canary. Though to answer your question, it _is_ true that 2 months ago they sent me the world’s _only_ dual-signed and autographed copy of Wings of Steel. Try not to be too jealous.
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tooth
Trad climber
The Best Place On Earth
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Aug 12, 2011 - 09:33am PT
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Wow mimi! As an adult, why does this topic turn you into someone who sounds like a terrible person when it is brought up? Wouldn't it be better to stay quiet and take down the 'mimi is an idiot' billboard?
The last time I heard a kid call someone a butt pirate was in grade 3. You keep putting this kind of stuff out there to represent yourself kiddo!
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 12, 2011 - 09:56am PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 10:19am PT
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hawt.
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Mimi
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 10:33am PT
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Your mentor...That explains a lot, Da Dweeb. So what do you think of King Richard? Nah, nevermind.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 12, 2011 - 10:34am PT
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Holy shit! JLC was smokin' BITD. I had no idea she was that hot.
Wouldn't it be better to stay quiet and take down the 'mimi is an idiot' billboard?
"The bell cannot be un-rung".
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Aug 12, 2011 - 10:35am PT
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nevermind.
That reminds me of a great Nirvana album.
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T2
climber
Cardiff by the sea
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:34am PT
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Damn Jamie lee was fukin Hot in her younger days. (She is a good lookin cougar as well)
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the goat
climber
north central WA
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:53am PT
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The last two posts are the reason I like ST!
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Aug 12, 2011 - 11:55am PT
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JLC was not one of the sh!tters.
She eats that Cougar yogurt.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Aug 12, 2011 - 12:53pm PT
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I thought the statue was Lady Gaga.
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LED
Social climber
the great beyond
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Aug 12, 2011 - 01:25pm PT
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S.Leeper
Sport climber
Pflugerville, Texas
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Aug 16, 2011 - 11:29pm PT
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Looks like a new project is waiting "in the wings"
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 16, 2011 - 11:33pm PT
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Did anyone observe the climb being filmed? Who is Jeff Vargen? Is he known in the climb/film industry?
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Aug 16, 2011 - 11:46pm PT
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Jeff is a Supertopian. One of his better known threads was "fighting Germans with my mom in tuolumne".
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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Aug 17, 2011 - 05:45pm PT
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The documentary will tell the untold story of our second ascent on Wings of Steel, the limits of our abilities and relationship, the history behind the route, and climbing ethics in Yosemite Valley. Included in the film are interviews with many players involved in the WOS saga as well as other known individuals who will be discussing the ethics of climbing.
Jeff is a great friend to both Ammon and I as well as an Award Winning filmmaker with over 25 years experience producing television and documentary programs. He is both producing and directing the film. There will be footage/photos that Ammon and I took on the wall during our climb as well as other footage that has begun being shot by Jeff.
I hope everyone will enjoy the film we are working on!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Aug 17, 2011 - 06:06pm PT
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looking forward to it.
Prod.
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SuperTopo on the Web
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Let us know!