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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 02:41pm PT
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And who would be the arbiter of a maximum wage? Be careful what you wish for
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 02:46pm PT
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And who would be the arbiter of a maximum wage?
I'll do it.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 02:47pm PT
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Blame the beatniks & hippies!! Don't laugh, this guy is a Republican hero.
Phil Robertson is very concerned about the rate of sexually transmitted infections in America.
Robertson, one of the stars of A&E's "Duck Dynasty" who was suspended from the show in 2013 after making anti-gay remarks, appeared Friday at the 2015 Conservative Political Action Conference to accept the Andrew Breitbart Defender of the First Amendment Award from Citizens United.
Addressing the annual gathering of conservatives, Robertson hit on a number of popular right-wing talking points, including his allegiance to the Bible and his disdain for House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). The speech took a turn, however, when the "Duck Dynasty" patriarch began lamenting the United States' high incidence of STIs.
"You lose your religion, according to John Adams, and there goes your morality. We're almost there," Robertson said. "I hate to admit I got my facts from the CDC the day before yesterday, 110 million, 110 million Americans now have a sexually transmitted illness."
Robertson was citing a 2013 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analysis that found 110 million men and women currently have sexually transmitted infections.
"I don't want you, America, to get sick," he continued. "I don't want you to become ill. I don't want you to come down with a debilitating disease. I don't want you to die early. You're disease free and she's disease free, you marry, you keep your sex right there. You won't get sick from a sexually transmitted disease."
According to Robertson, the "beatniks" and "hippies" are to blame.
"There is a penalty to be paid from what the beatniks, and it morphed into the hippies -- you say, what do you call the 110 million with the sexually transmitted illness -- it is the revenge of the hippies! Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll have come back to haunt us in a bad way."
Then Robertson said "stand on the Bible, stand on the Constitution. Hold on to your weapons."
"We had to have all three to run the Brits back to where they came from, we had to have all three when the Nazis reared their head. 'You say, the Nazis: World domination is what Hitler had on his mind. Territorial conquest. There was no Jesus. None. And they were famous for murder."
Robertson yelled "was there any Jesus among the communists? None!" Robertson then likened the Nazis to the Islamic State.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 02:53pm PT
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Gary,
LOL. But judging by the name of your "home" of choice, would that make us all equally poor?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 02:57pm PT
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The minimum wage should be set so the worker doesn't need Government subsidies to live if he/she working a full time job.
It's simple formula.
It's not random nor near high enough to live a middle class life.
Do you think the Government should subsidize these workers because the Company won't pay them enough.
Wouldn't you rather your taxes didn't pay for Wal-Mart profits
The Homeland Security Agency is about to be shut down because the Repubs can't get the votes to keep it open.
Shut er down!!!
What a way to Govern: using threats, extortion, and defunding crucial services for America all because they can't get their way.
What happened to Democracy, I thought you needed the votes to change laws.
When did we start using threats against the President's authority to change policy?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 03:12pm PT
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I was having this discussion on the Bill O'Reilly thread, but should continue here.
Please answer this simple poll question.
Name one thing that the Conservatives have done for America that has been a good thing for our Nation or people.
A law, a policy, a movement
So far, the poll hasn't been able to come up with a single good thing.
You can't use Party affilation for this question, since the Dems were the Conservatives until the 50/60s.
And.. telling us about the bad things that Dems did is Not Answering the question, that's a diversion from the answer.
Please tell us all about the great Conservative Solutions that have provided jobs, services, education, a balanced budget??
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 03:34pm PT
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Good points Craig.
There should be minimums. CEO pay is also troubling in this age of poor ethics. But historically minimum wages were entry level jobs and not defined as middle class.
If a person tries to support a family on minimum wages, well I would say there would be tremendous motivation to develop marketable skills. Otherwise a minimal government safety net should be provided, which has been the case for some time.
I'd be wary of bureaucrats dictating how a private company conducts legal business.
However,
I do think that Fabian socialism will be what the.voters will tend to over time. I also wonder how liberty's definition will change over that time
Liberty and security are a zero sum equation.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 04:40pm PT
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Someone needs to tell TGT that the Totalitarians are the Conservatives.
Always were
Right Wing = Conservatives
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 27, 2015 - 04:44pm PT
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Yep, gutless and complicit for the most part,
(Except for 51 of them today)
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crankster
Trad climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
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Louie = Tea Party Nut. TGT, you've gone off the far rightwing, extremist deep end. Gone Boy.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Feb 27, 2015 - 05:23pm PT
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I'll take democrats any day over the existing republicans now in office.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 27, 2015 - 05:35pm PT
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It's Crazy!!
Every positive benefit ever enacted by the Government that made America AMERICA!!!
has been promoting by the liberal progressives, and opposed by the Conservatives
Is it that Black and white???
Apparently,
one side embedded in Big Buck Propaganda schemes
The other side fighting a losing battle presenting the facts in the face of Huge Money media campaigns trying to persuade the public with misinformation
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Feb 27, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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Power abhors a vacuum. Think on that Republicans. Start doing your job or you will continue to be pushed aside.
There is work to be done and someone will do it even if they have to find the limits of their authority to do so.
Obstruction is a weak and and futile strategy. If your only identity is the opposition of someone then you are merely a shadow. Bringing only nothingness to the table.
I would greatly welcome honest conservative efforts to truly serve the people who elected them.
What is the republican healthcare plan? What is their immigration plan? what is their stand on internet freedom? What are their foreign policy ideas? How do they wish to balance the budget and promote the economy? How do they intend to serve the people?
By serve the people meaning actually doing things that make their lives better?
Do they believe that is their job?
If not why should we hire them?
What do you do when your fellow employee won't do his job on the project... you end up doing it for them..because the job must get done.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Feb 27, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
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Every positive benefit ever enacted by the Government that made America AMERICA!!!
has been promoting by the liberal progressives, and opposed by the Conservatives
Craig, I agree with the sentiment, but I respectfully think you might have misplaced a few words.
Here's how I would have written it:
Every positive benefit ever enacted by the Government that made America A GREAT PLACE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF ITS CITIZENS has been promoted by the liberal progressives, and opposed by the Conservatives
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 27, 2015 - 06:49pm PT
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"TGT, you've gone off the far rightwing..."
Gone off the far rightwing?
TGT doesn't know any other reality than the far right wing.
He's about as WRONG as any Republican could ever be.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 27, 2015 - 10:16pm PT
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well I would say there would be tremendous motivation to develop marketable skills.
Would you say that is true for those with an IQ of under 100?
Is there some limit as to where people should be required to pull themselves up by their bootstraps?
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 27, 2015 - 11:51pm PT
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Hey Ken,
I kinda answered your question.
"If a person tries to support a family on minimum wages, well I would say there would be tremendous motivation to develop marketable skills. Otherwise a minimal government safety net should be provided, which has been the case for some time."
I don't think anyone advocates throwing the disadvantaged to the wolves. That is one of the situations that social welfare services are for.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 28, 2015 - 08:23am PT
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The minimum wage will always be lower than what the middle class wages should be.
A functioning "Middle Class" is not a natural occurrence in a Capitalistic or Authoritarian system, it has to be created by Government intervention.
Higher tax rates for the higher tax brackets, lower taxes on the working class, high Corporate taxes, lot's of Corporate regulations, high tariffs, no off shoring jobs, no offshoring cash, lot's of Gov. jobs working on the infrastructure, free education, lost cost health care, etc.
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