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Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 17, 2018 - 02:41pm PT
Interesting article on wildfires in this week’s The Economist. Think we have it bad? Think again. 2% of the land burned by wildfires worldwide is in N America. 67% is in Africa.
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Nov 17, 2018 - 03:46pm PT
When I think about and visualize the incredible pain and agony of what this community has gone thru it hurts the soul to read some of the tasteless, insensitive comments posted here.

Stop speculating here, please. Start your own wildfire speculation thread or even better get off the computer and go help.

We live in a fragile world today. We need to stick together and help each other. Jess' sayin'.

Reilly, I always appreciate your thoughtful comments and information.

wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 17, 2018 - 03:49pm PT
True ,for sure,now how about some god damn rain.

Peace to everyone near this.
Risk

Mountain climber
Marooned, 855 miles from Tuolumne Meadows
Nov 17, 2018 - 04:14pm PT
My copy of quarterly CSU Chico Alumni magazine arrived before the fire.

zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 17, 2018 - 07:23pm PT
Fuk trump, but what did you expect?

You don't need crazy laser guided sheeit

Orr used a cigarette, three matches, and lined yellow paper and el cheapo cigarette lighters


"John Leonard Orr (born April 26, 1949) is a former fire captain and arson investigator for the Glendale Fire Department in Southern California and novelist who was indicted and later convicted for serial arson.....Some arson investigators and an FBI criminal profiler have deemed Orr to be possibly one of the worst American serial arsonists of the twentieth century.[22] Federal ATF agent Mike Matassa believes that Orr set nearly 2,000 fires between 1984 and 1991.[23]

Furthermore, arson investigators cited that after Orr was arrested, the number of brush fires in the nearby foothill areas decreased by over ninety percent."


And


May 4, 2012 - 09:56am PT
Meanwhile what's happening with this.

I can't believe it took this long, but it has finally arrived.

A magazine published by members of al Qaeda has called for Western Muslims to wage war within the United States, urging them to engage in lone wolf attacks, including setting forest fires


http://wildfiretoday.com/2012/05/02/al-qaeda-magazine-encourages-forest-fire-arson-in-the-us/



And

If you ask people in the deep end of the conspiracy theory pool, though, DEWs are here already. There’s a small body of people who believe themselves to be “targeted individuals”—stalked, harassed, and attacked by the government or other shadowy groups—and at least some of them believe those attacks are being carried out by DEWs. Now, through a strange confluence of forces, the paranoia over DEWs is making its way into the discussion about natural disasters. What we’re seeing is a convergence of longstanding American fears about government mind control and manipulation of the weather merging with climate change skepticism, as climate science becomes ever-more-politicized.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 18, 2018 - 06:58am PT
Does The Darnold have anything to say about Norwegians? Huh?

Wilbeer,
Up to four inches of rain is expected to fall from late on Tuesday through Friday in the Sierra foothills, the National Weather Service's Weather Prediction Center said.

https://www.newsweek.com/california-wildfires-rain-forecast-will-help-firefighters-could-also-trigger-1220971
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
Nov 18, 2018 - 08:13am PT
Friday 11/16/18 Paradise Fire NorCal Copyright MS









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wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 18, 2018 - 08:51am PT
Good to hear you are getting some rain Mouse,let us hope it is not too much.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 19, 2018 - 01:46pm PT
Paradise was not the only place lost in the Camp fire's inferno.

http://buttecreekcanyon.info/helltown

Click on Friends of Butte Creek on this link. Incredible footage of the smoke plume.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 20, 2018 - 09:28am PT
The Inferno.
Snagged from an online source.

We aren't getting wet, not yet.

Here is the time when we Sprockets pray, plead, sacrifice, promise to do better, weep, moan, gyrate like the mad, and remember the dead.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 20, 2018 - 06:59pm PT
*
Mouse, We have many friends who lost their homes in Butte Creek canyon, but thankfully a couple of our friends found out their homes were still standing... It is only a town in the historic sense.... a canyon area that is part of South East Chico .

Other towns that had fire damage from the Camp Fire are,..Magalia directly uphill of Paradise, Concow, Yankee Hill, Cherokee,.... and many people that have Oroville addresses, but are not in the Oroville City limits.

Death toll is now 81...)-;

https://www.craftbeer.com/editors-picks/hundreds-of-breweries-tell-sierra-nevada-were-in-on-wildfire-relief-beer
ionlyski

Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
Nov 20, 2018 - 07:26pm PT
A magazine published by members of al Qaeda has called for Western Muslims to wage war within the United States, urging them to engage in lone wolf attacks, including setting forest fires

That is some scary sh#t there. The idea of it has always been so creepy you hardly dare talk about it.

Arne
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 20, 2018 - 07:35pm PT
^ I thought of it well before 2012, but never said a word until it hit the news.

There are others that can be imagined too.

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber
da ow
Nov 20, 2018 - 08:44pm PT
I'm with zBrown. Thought of it long ago during Bush's terms but never wanted to say anything.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 20, 2018 - 10:07pm PT
The Japanese tried to set U.S. forests on fire in WWII, without much sucess, but they put a lot of work into it.

The Japanese fire balloon was the first ever weapon possessing intercontinental range. The Japanese balloon attacks on North America were at that time the longest ranged attacks ever conducted in the history of warfare.

The balloons were intended to instill fear and terror in the U.S., though the bombs were relatively ineffective as weapons of destruction[4] due to extreme weather conditions.[5]

Much more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 21, 2018 - 01:22pm PT
Mr. Rodgers' neighborhood.

https://krcrtv.com/news/camp-fire/butte-county-native-aaron-rodgers-sets-up-fund-to-help-camp-fire-victims

Butte County native and Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers has set up a fund to help recovery and rebuilding after the Camp Fire.

In a video on Twitter, he said he is donating $1 million to relief efforts.

He said he is partnering with the North Valley Community Foundation to help with recovery and rebuilding.

Rodgers added that State Farm will donate one dollar, up to one million dollars, toward Camp Fire recovery with every retweet on his post, using the hashtag #retweetforgood, through Sunday, November 25 at midnight Eastern Time.

Visit the link and partner up with Aaron.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Nov 21, 2018 - 06:13pm PT
Heat from a fire is subject to the inverse square law, meaning that the intensity of the heat goes down rapidly, as it decreases by the square of the distance. If a town such as Paradise had:

One, a 200-300 yd. buffer zone around it with no burnable material
Two, houses without flammable trees next to them
Three, houses further apart
Four, houses made with more fire resistant materials

Seems that the damage would be much less, instead of destroying a whole town. Of course, this requires careful planning and some expense, but I hope other towns in the middle of tinder dry forests and brush lands can learn from what happened there.

One of my friends lost his house in Paradise. He had a safe with several thousand dollars in cash; hasn't been able to get back yet to see if the safe and the funds survived.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 21, 2018 - 06:52pm PT
Good reporting there DMT

Seems to me that some group needs to be in charge of monitoring the progress that is or is not made going forward

Perfect thing for Gates or Buffet to fund

Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 21, 2018 - 07:28pm PT
DMT! As a forestry grad, I need to mention "Yellow Pine" is a local name for Ponderosa or Jeffrey Pine. I back my assertion up with Wikipedia.

Yellow pine refers to a number of conifer species which tend to grow in similar plant communities and yield similar strong wood. In the Western United States, yellow pine refers to Jeffrey pine or ponderosa pine.

The Jeffrey pine and the ponderosa pine are pines that are common in drier montane areas of the Sierra Nevada. They are often confused by casual observers. Across the remainder of the American West, Jeffrey pine is absent, with ponderosa pine being the sole yellow pine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_pine

The two are hard to tell apart & the Wikipedia article guide to their differences, doesn't first tell what they have in common.

They are so-similar they should be the same species, but the damn botanists decided they are not, even though they hybridize.

Here's the best guide to telling them apart, I've found, & I don't bother to tell them apart.

While I learned long ago a few basic things to help me identify the trees — “prickly ponderosa” or “gentle Jeffrey” as a way to differentiate the pinecones, and that the bark of a Jeffrey pine smells like vanilla or butterscotch — I can never confidently tell the two trees apart. Both have the same creviced bark with overlaying jigsaw pieces, three long needles in a bunch, and pyramid-shaped crowns. So, what are the differences that set them apart?

“The Jeffrey pine very closely resembles the ponderosa pine but is a distinct species chemically, ecologically, and physiologically,” says the “Sierra Nevada Natural History” guide. Compared to its bigger cousin, the ponderosa, the Jeffrey’s bark is darker and more narrowly furrowed (grooved) and is, of course, renowned for its vanilla scent. The needles are thicker and duller than the ponderosa, and its cones larger and heavier with inward facing scale tips.

http://www.moonshineink.com/mountain-life/which-tree-which

Tree names matter in fire control too. Yellow Pine is also a catch-all name for some southern U.S. pines.

Ponderosa bark with a Gopher Snake at top center.

The 10" snake at center.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Nov 21, 2018 - 07:33pm PT
rake, rake, rake. but i wouldn't sell the fire trucks just yet
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