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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 12, 2013 - 03:06am PT
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Pacarockhound,
Thanks for asking. I think the mattgreene Summitpost account continues to be active because the Summitpost admin people keep poking around in it looking for clues. That's why the Summitpost Admin put a note on Matt's user page saying that his last real login was on July 16th.
Regarding the MG13 account, I bet it does stand for mountain goat, as you suggest, because that's what's in the picture. The MG13 account continues to be active and hence could not have been Matt (though I guess admin people could have been poking around in that account too). Also, Matt already had a Summitpost account -- why would he have created another one? In any event, because the post refers to areas in Wyoming, I suspect it's a coincidence and not relevant to the current search.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 03:12am PT
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LA Hiker - it looks like there is Gannett Peak and Wind River at Mammoth, no? Or am I reading the link I posted wrong?
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 12, 2013 - 03:13am PT
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Pacarockhound,
I think we posted at the same time. It looks like there's a Mammoth Glacier on Gannett Peak, but Gannett Peak is part of the Wind River Range, which is in Wyoming. :(
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 03:20am PT
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Joe Kelsey, in Climbing and Hiking in the Wind River Mountains (2nd ed., 1994, Chockstone Press, p. 124), mentions the "West Face/South Ridge" as follows: "From Mammoth Glacier several routes have been used to reach the South Ridge near its junction with Gooseneck Ridge. Apparently both prominent couloirs have been ascended. One climb was by 17-year-old Yvon Chouinard, on his first mountain."
This is from the bottom of link I have attached 3 posts earlier. Isn't Mammoth Glacier in Mammoth Lake?
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 12, 2013 - 03:22am PT
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Pacarockhound,
No, oddly enough. While there are many glaciers in the Ritter Range near Mammoth Lakes, the only U.S. glacier called "Mammoth Glacier" is in Wyoming, as are all the other places mentioned in MG13's post. Try Googling "Mammoth glacier" -- you'll see what I mean. :)
And now I must turn in for the evening.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 03:29am PT
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Okay LA Hiker, I stand corrected.....:)
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 03:59am PT
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Last thought for the night
On the summit.org forum if you go to Matt's profile there is a list of "people who hike the same trails". There are 100 people listed. Make any sense to reach out to them?
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KellyDoesntClimb
Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 09:45am PT
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CyDuke, thanks for the link to the photos! Stunning! It helps me in my quest to perfect the maps...
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Ikat
Social climber
Carson City
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Sep 12, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
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CYDude
Extremely gorgeous and comprehensive photos. Should be of use to potential searchers.
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CyDuke
climber
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Sep 12, 2013 - 12:19pm PT
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Kelly: Glad it will help out with the maps.
Ikat: Agree. Gorgeous and Comprehensive.
LAHiker: I almost felt like I was there too. Made me wish I was.
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
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To sum up almost 2000 posts in a nutshell.
You have nothing.
Except a complete mystery and tons of speculations .....
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Sep 12, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
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I haven't read all the posts, but to be fair, I believe there is the outline of a good (proper?) strategy presented by Cragman.
Many theories are being presented here regarding the various details regarding the phone being turned on early....the missing gear....assaults in campgrounds....LOTS and LOTS of speculation.
My concern with these ideas, many of which seem incredibly outlandish to me, is that they draw focus away from the few things we do know....things that point to the Ritter Range.
Endless speculating about scenarios that seem more like a CSI episode can go on and on ad nauseum, and every time someone hears one that they kinda buy into....they then add some more of THEIR ideas about that scenario....perhaps making it sound even MORE compelling.
In SAR, it's dangerous to take simply what we THINK may have happened, and try to shape it into a fact....instead of taking even the thinnest facts, and pursuing them until they are completely played out.
The search area in the Ritter Range, as I have stated on all the search threads, is VAST and COMPLICATED. Also....time is running extremely short to do more searching of that area.
My recommendation would be for experienced climbers to do ALL within their power to get together and get out in the Ritter Range while we can, rather than post theories based on extremely wild scenarios that are virtually unheard of in this area, or frankly, even impossible.
Peace,
DR
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 04:08pm PT
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Tioga,
thank you for clarification. I think your list is invaluable, especially at this juncture.
I agree that brainstorming - and this is the beauty of social media - with so many people is what ultimately gets results.
Is there any way to post this thread at the top of forum???
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 12, 2013 - 04:28pm PT
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Tioga +100
Pacarockhound, the thread naturally rises in the forum when we comment. But I don't think we should comment just to bump it up. The more useful people's posts are, the more others will have the patience to wade through this very long thread, get up to speed, and make a contribution either here or by searching.
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Ikat
Social climber
Carson City
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Sep 12, 2013 - 04:29pm PT
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If they make this a sticky, are you going to include the psychic vision thread, too?
Sorry, but today's visions there were just unrealistic.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
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Sorry to cut in here but is there anyone familiar with the area that can humor me and read the psychic thread to see if they know the geography referenced in what I shared there?
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2213600&tn=60
For what it's worth, I did talk to the Bethlehem police and I need to head into the station to sign a declaration making Matt's disappearance official in his hometown; something we've yet to do. They told me over the phone they should be able to help in obtaining some of the records we're after.
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Ikat
Social climber
Carson City
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Sep 12, 2013 - 04:35pm PT
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East of the campground puts him 40 miles away on White Mountain. Which isn't white in summer. No need for crampons or ice ax there. This doesn't seem credible to me.
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pacarockhound
Social climber
Escondido CA
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Sep 12, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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In the vision post it states close to the campground, that he was on his way and hadn't gotten that far. I am also curious about location, and reference to 3 peaks.
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