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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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chief, revenue neutral has already been explained.
Or you can look up various methods yourself.
Carbon Taxes take in nnn, just like existing federal gas tax.
Reduce Earned income taxes the same amount nnn.
Done.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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"So does that mean that this January when J Brown incorporates his new gas tax, my State Taxes will be reduced? Is he going to boost education funding? Or help implement drought reduction mitigation measures in the state? NO! It means he is going to buy some useless $81.4 billion bullet train to go from LA to SF. That people like you and DMT will never ride cus you want the comfort of your own space."
No, I (and apparently you) won't ride it because it will go from Fresno to Merced, or Madera to Bakersfield, in other words a train to nowhere as far as most people are concerned, and will cost more than an airline ticket. In other countries I have taken the train, because they design them to be useful.
I already posted a month ago how the Cal carbon trading fees will be spent and wasted. Did you finally get around to reading it?
I don't think states and localities should try to make significant policy on this. It is much better handled on the federal level. Just like Cal is now going to just follow EPA national mpg rules in the future, now that the federal rules have actually progressed.
The more people complain about a simple tax, the more likely they are to end up with a Jerry Brown type bureaucracy instead.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2014 - 09:25am PT
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They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today.
Brilliant!
Have another Guinness.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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B.K. your comments might have a tiny shred of credibility if you did not
pour Budweiser, (imported from USA) over your cornflakes for breakfast!
At least had you figured as a Labatt-Blue-Light kind of climate fear monger.
You do know Molson poured over cornflakes the #1 breakfast in the provinces?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Not much competition on the pathetic nature denialist side these days unless you count that hopeless alchy Bruce as having anything of value to say.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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"nature denialist" ?
step away from the blogs, rick! you are confusing fantasy for reality (but what's new).
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Spare your self further embarassment by association with this shetfest thread, go back to your hidey hole Ed. Nothing to see here, none of your presented scientific explanations for the lack of projected warming can possibly be twisted enough to speak louder than the natural cooling that is underway. Nature wins, the bumbling utopian socialists lose.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Basically global warming truthers are a spreading
plague of "Confirmation Bias".
Question: why isn't Ed H's picture prominently displayed in that wiki?
Blatant disrespect imho. And when can we expect a cure? These people are
suffering!
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Its called Winter Ed. And its now climate change. Difficult to keep
up with the fluid redefinition of this hobby of yours but
hey, make the effort ok?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
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As a result, your graph and the argument it sets forth is uninformed. It is a cherry picking of data (only using the time frame you do, the IPCC's forecast is long-term) in conjunction with a misleading argument, likely brought about from a fundamental lack of/misunderstanding of what is actually going on there.
Watch out. Keep up this line of logic and Sketch is bound to break out his harsh insults. It's his only defense, you know.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 5, 2014 - 09:12am PT
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STFU already ...
Do as I say not as I do, right The Chief?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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another in the legion of anonymous trolls: dave729
perhaps you might be more effective if, instead of personal invective, you would make some argument based on actual fact, rather than your incomplete understanding of the blogs you read and the regurgitation, by you, onto the thread.
but I doubt that will happen.
interesting to note in TGT's reproduced graphic above that "rē=0.000" I wonder if TGT even knows what it means... (to my mind, it means that the numbers are faked, that is, the line drawn is not fit to the data).
When one does such a thing on a plot, one should say exactly what they are doing... and not be deceptive. But I agree if you don't understand the plot you aren't being deceptive, you're just being a dupe.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Even though CO2 levels have steadily increased over the last 18 years, while we've experienced no warming, the lack of warming is irrelevant... as is the lower than predicted warming since the first IPCC report. What matters is predictions about the future, right?
of course you meant to say "no surface warming" as inferred by the RSS data analyzed by Mears.
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Steve Rathbun
climber
Outer Lurkistan
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The burden of evidence for the deniers is just too great.
fortunately for the deniers. evidence has never been a burden.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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No surface warming, which was the only metric discussed in the First, Second and Third Assessment Reports. It wasn't until the Fourth Assessment Report, when the "Hiatus" looked to be more than mere noise, that ocean heat content got much attention.
it gets back to the issues of accuracy and precision (or more to the point, variability)
In the run up to the latest IPCC report, the modeling community attempted to perform a "short range" forecast... this was not something attempted previously.
The disagreement between some of the model runs, and the observations, reveals the shortcomings of the models in making a prediction on that short time period. Don't forget that the "normal" time period for averaging is 30 years... oscillations, which represent a lot of the variability, taking place over shorter time periods will average out, and the model inputs have a way of capturing that averaging as input.
The questions regarding the predictions have focused on what the models are missing (not whether or not the models are "correct"). After investigating many possible factors (e.g. volcanic aerosols) the focus is on the ocean-atmosphere energy exchange, with the "deep" ocean recently observed (also not something available to the early IPCC reports).
Explaining these differences between observations and models helps to improve our understanding, and the limits of our models' ability to predict such a short time forecast.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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How's about you answered your own question.
You should be happy not knowing......
You are a deniers ,denier.
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