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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Sep 29, 2014 - 04:16pm PT
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That must really piss you off,aye?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 29, 2014 - 04:50pm PT
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The Tea Party had backers with Bazillions of dollars. Otherwise they would have never gotten any MSM attention.
The Occupy was extremely successful, although the movement was cut in half by the folks with Bazillions of dollars--they didn't want to see their image tarnished by the masses.
My opinion is based on what's actually occurred. You claimed that voting for the right candidate would be "infinitely more effective" than participating in a protest. I've asked you to back up your claim, several times. Each time, you've tried to put the onus back on me, instead of backing up your claim.
Now it's been estimated that over 400,000 folks marched on Monday in DC. Yet no MSM picked up the peaceful march. We have to fight this one with all the tools available to us, and all we have are our voices.
While the media offered a black-out, you have to know that those who want to get elected noticed. So yeah, both marching AND voting are important tools to effect change.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Sep 29, 2014 - 10:15pm PT
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You might think that new CAFE requirement will be hard to meet, if you didn't know all the special addons that make it look higher than it is. (Altho it may still take some new tricks to meet.)
There are a lot of games to the EPA and NHTSA CAFE mpg rules.
The window sticker mpg new formula started in 2008 is still quite inaccurate.
For one, their highway speeds are much lower than most people drive.
The manufacturer CAFE requirement is measured using the 1970s formula, not the newer formula, so take another 20% off the CAFE requirement off the top, if you are trying to compare.
Then take off all the special GHG special credits & incentives described here:
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-cafe-numbers-game-making-sense-of-the-new-fuel-economy-regulations-feature
You will never see all this written in plain language on the EPA or NHTSA websites.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 30, 2014 - 08:45am PT
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Sketch, Occupy was successful in that "the 99%" is a now commonly known phrase, and now there is focus on the 1% (and the 0.1%).
If you think that "Occupy" is over and out, wait a year or two--the times are changing. Look at Hong Kong, and other protests. It's my belief these are continuations of the bold Occupiers.
As for a source for the 400,000+, here you go (whether or not you consider Democracy Now to be a credible news source is not my problem):
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/9/25/global_warming_and_global_warring
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2014 - 09:16am PT
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In their efforts to impede state, national and international efforts to protect humans from the destructive climate chaos, both companies have engaged in massive spending sprees purchasing phony "junk" science devised to undermine the overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming. Between 1997 and 2013, ExxonMobil, pumped over 29.9 million dollars into an elaborate network of over 75 front groups to manufacture skepticism about the oncoming climate catastrophe. At the same time, Koch Industries has piped at least $67,042,064 to over fifty groups that play central roles in the Koch-funded offensive against climate science.
Sketch, what do you think the Occupy movement should have accomplished?
And yes, I did mention 300,000 and 400,000 in DC. have you done research that states other numbers? If so, why do you ask me to show my source.
Lastly, why are you such an ass?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2014 - 11:30am PT
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You get so fussy about having your mistakes pointed out.
Yeah, you are right. It's New York, not DC. But you knew that, right? And, instead of being a bro and saying, "Hey, I think you mean NY, not DC," you have to be a complete as#@&%e about it.
So my question remains. Why are you such an ass?
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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The Occupy Movement introduced some of my conservative as hell family in Kern Co to the Koch Brothers. Talk about folks doin' some 180's on their past ideals. Some of them are actually being as objective about politics as they are with their wallets. I am damn proud of them.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2014 - 02:18pm PT
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Too funny. You're constantly an assh0le. In just about every one of our exchanges, you throw the first cheapshot... you start the sh#t.... and then you get all whiny when I respond in kind.
Full BullSh#t from the Bullshit King.
Got a link to me being the first to jump in and start the sh#t? Put up or shut up, I say you're lying here.
Got links to the MSM coverage of the climate-change march? How much press are you going to find for us. Put up or shut up.
Come on, boy. Let's see it.
(And for the record, you started the sh#t this time pal. In fact, I don't see many posts from you where you are not being an ass.)
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Nah, never said Don't tread on me or implied anything like the rest of that paragraph. You could ask questions instead of projecting and jumping to conclusions for efficient discourse.
You and your angry self pretty much stepped all over your face in that reply.
Good luck with your all-knowing self. BTW, you do not know me and your post implies that you do. Do you know the validity that gives you?
If you read/listened to the post you would understand it was about curiosity and humility. Say, you called me a libtardo and azzhat, on what grounds do you know those 2 characterizations to be true?
Wow, thanks for posting that pic, fun ride it was!! Do you have any others of me? And, how does it relate to the Occupy/1% thinger?? It looks like a leap only Dr. J could make?? Insecure? It's OK, if nailing your fingers on the keys, go for it. Much worse could result from you and you
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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It's rise was well before any of this bullshet issue of AGW really got itself going.
brilliant logic...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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But then when your entire life is based on "logic", you lose track of reality and the rest of the worlds truths.
so you're just submitting to your "instincts" and "beliefs", like those "SUNNI's and SHIA"
as you would say, "right, got it"
carry on old goat.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2014 - 05:12pm PT
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Holy Moly, it's 90 degrees in Santa Cruz today. That's screaming hot for this town.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Link posted just for the edification of warmists.
http://neurotheory.columbia.edu/~ken/cargo_cult.html
Copy and paste the whole url into your browser, if that isn't to complicated.
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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you have probably read that the strawman argument of hypocrisy is irrelevant to understanding that climate change is real and WE need to act to minimize it. If a nutritionist eats a donut should she shoot herself?
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Splater
climber
Grey Matter
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Here's how it works:
doesn't matter if every single person is a "hypocrite."
1. Tax Carbon burning.
2. People burn less carbon.
end.
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raymond phule
climber
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and most of Africa including the ME, splater.
LOL, ME a part of africa and kind of complaining about the CO2 released in Africa.
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raymond phule
climber
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Ok.. we tax their goods and they then they decide to no longer sell them to us. They then will find markets other than us that will not tax their goods. Like all them 3rd World economies that can barely afford their products today. Certain them manufacturing nations will do their best to accommodate their financial status in order to sell their products to em.
I guess that the chief is also an expert on economics.
I really don't understand though why they shouldn't sell goods if we tax them? Why should they care? I tax don't necessary make the goods to expensive for the buyer.
I neither understand how the market that could barely afford their products today could afford them tomorrow but that might be explained in the last sentence that I don't understand.
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