1977 Airplane Crash in Yosemite

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sidmo

Sport climber

general delivery

Apr 16, 2013 - 11:24am PT

Ah Synchie, you’re the first hater out of the woodwork, congrats – just like the other vermin who sit for months, reading nothing but ready to pounce on any poster they dislike, regardless of content or lack thereof – so I’m beating a dead horse am I? well at least I rode that horse once – perhaps you rode too, perhaps not – seems as if some of the most vitriolic posters here are posers or simply too young to have been roping around the valley in 77 on a runaway horse of good fortune – so is you just a hater, or art thou a skeptic as well? I find it humorous, ludicrous really, that deskchair detectives on a stupid licky thread can inflate their egos by attacking strangers of whom they know nothing – as for all you disbelievers, ever feel like you’ve been duped . . . all while trying to appear to not to have been duped, as if you have some special knowledge – I only know what I know, so I don’t discount any other’s accounts – but they discount mine, as if their presence on the scene way back when was omnipotent – how could you sit in a tent in C4 and know what was going on in Curry Village? – I don’t know what the hell happened at the Lodge, but I damn sure know what we were up to across town – whether I choose to share with licky don’t change a thing – history does not need a chronicler to be true, so does this story need telling? I honestly believe Licky wants to spin an accurate yarn, but I’m not sure he should knit his legacy on a tale he knows so little about – maybe it would be best if he writes tech manuals for aircraft since that seems to be his forte – so, c’mon out of the woodwork all you haters – don’t let Synchrie have all the fun – 1700 posts, time to stir the pot of stoned soup – I’ll add a rock here: a nonclimbing valley goodtime dealer was assassinated in the bay area not long after the event. Has anyone looked into that sidestory? Seems there was an innocent bystander who died as well, a girlfriend I was told – connection to the plane, or more coincidence? But since he wasn’t airplane mechanic do you haters care?

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Apr 16, 2013 - 12:27pm PT

Long time, no see Sidmo. Judging from your post it was not long enough.

sidmo

Sport climber

general delivery

Apr 16, 2013 - 02:50pm PT

just stirring the pot, jon - should the thread stay dead? does it matter that i posted any more than it matters that no one else has for months? am i getting in the way? and if so, what is it i'm in the way of? if a tree falls in the forest, or if a post threads onto a dead forum . . . does anyone hear the sound? or should i fear the wrath of licky, brawny and the rest for defacing their beloved thread? it seems a bit threadbare of late

labrat

Trad climber

Auburn, CA

Apr 16, 2013 - 02:52pm PT

"Long time, no see Sidmo. Judging from your post it was not long enough." x2

sidmo

Sport climber

general delivery

Apr 16, 2013 - 06:19pm PT

labrat, you're so eloquent - and you know multiplication too? another genius here on licky's thread - guess it was bothering you too that i posted something when no one else had bothered to - i'm sure you've been much too busy to post (but not too busy to check the dead thread for activity)- you dudes crack me up - got anything on the plane? yeah, i didn't think so - you know, when we were your age we had more to do than hassle old climbers online . . . oh yeah, we weren't online then, we were on belay

labrat

Trad climber

Auburn, CA

Apr 16, 2013 - 06:25pm PT

Please add old to your description of me....... 46 and counting.
;-)

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Apr 16, 2013 - 06:58pm PT

Well, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, but the world of medicine has been revolutionized in the time it's taking to get the book out.

When it arrives we'll probably be able to it get via a direct neuro-electronic brain-feed.

Hi Ric:

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sidmo

Sport climber

general delivery

Apr 17, 2013 - 09:32am PT

Interesting, but I fail to see the relevance -
does anyone who was there still read or post
about the plane anymore, or has Licky's thread
been reduced to random rants? Does anyone know
or remember anything about the alleged murder
of that person I mentioned and did it have
anything to do with the plane? We never knew
but some suspected that it may have. I wasn't
sure then, nor now. It seems to me that what
happened to the people involved has as much or
more significance to the overall story than
factoids about hydraulic fluid in the plane
itself, but I suspect Licky and the haters will
disagree . . . and likely attack me for being
stupid, etc. I'd be stupid if I told you what
happened without knowledge of the facts, which
I do not have. But to pose a question seems
legitimate on a thread that at least began as a
forum on the events of the plane crash. The peanut
gallery of youngsters who could not have been there
in 1977 that fill this thread may get their kicks
attacking posters like myself who don't write down
to their intellectual level, but does that help
Licky write the book? I can’t see how it could.

zBrown

Ice climber

chingadero de chula vista

Apr 17, 2013 - 10:04am PT

Ric posted essentially the same message in several forums. Why this one mushroomed is an interesting question. Cheap entertainment I suppose.

I was not there, but I was very close to some other drug dealing operations. There is always a threat of murder associated with drug trafficing (even back in the more mellow early days). My Little League buddy and another friend I used to cruise with were possibly and definitely done in as a result of drugs deals gone bad.

I'd still read the book if it came out and the medicine vid is definitely relevant inasmuchas it's going to take a revolution to keep some (many) of the ST readers alive until it does. Good entertainment too.

On the morning of 12 October 1978, Vicious claimed to have awoken from a drugged stupor to find Nancy Spungen dead on the bathroom floor of their room in the Hotel Chelsea in Manhattan.

Since no one else has, I'll be the first to ask.

Was Nancy killed as part of a cover up of the events in Yosemite?

frank wyman

Mountain climber

montana

Apr 17, 2013 - 10:07am PT

I moved out of the valley just before this happened. Had several freinds that were at the scene gathering the spoils. They told me some really good first hand stories. I have tried to get them to read this thread and relate to those times but they are "paranoid" about speaking up for some reason. Will try to get them to at least read this and contribute, hopefully we can get some "new" stories soon....

Synchronicity

Trad climber

British Columbia, Canada

Apr 17, 2013 - 10:59am PT

I post one line telling you to stop flogging a dead horse. I never disagreed with your info, I never claim to have "been there" (i'm Canadian), never even mentioned Licky and his book. You respond with another gibberish text wall.....

Sidmo your level of narcissism would be considered downright impressive if it wasn't so embarrassing

Again I simply asked you to stop bumping a thread in which no information, no book, no changes have really occurred in years. But we all know you're not going to listen because you're only looking for an argument while trying to convince yourself that it's everyone else that is "hating".

Reasoning with you is like wrestling a pig in the mud, it doesn't take long to realize the pig likes it...

Risk

Mountain climber

Olympia, WA

Apr 17, 2013 - 11:22am PT

RB’s demise was an isolated event unrelated to anything having to do with the plane crash. Licky already knows this.

sidmo

Sport climber

general delivery

Apr 17, 2013 - 11:40am PT

Yeah and maybe it was the gal’s husband getting revenge – but the odds of that happening to someone you know are low, and with some of the other things that happened after the plane made us wonder what the phuck was up. The timing alone makes it suspicious. But is the relevance of Sid Viscous due to the drug related death or my name?

More postings would be great, especially from those of us who were there. I can understand their reticence to speak out, perhaps you could serve as an intermediary. Secondhand stories can be very informative. In fact, if a story was related relatively soon after the fact, often the person telling the story will forget details (due to a myriad of reasons, perhaps senility) while the person to whom the story was told may remember the exact wording. In those cases the secondhand information can be as good or even better than a participant’s retelling at a much later date.

Syncho, does your mouse work? It would be easier for you to scroll past my posts, if they bother you so, than to respond. Or are you just inserting yourself into a story to which you have nothing of relevance to offer? If you just want to diss me send me an email, don’t litter the thread. This thread was effectively dead yesterday. I jumped back in and voila! Already one secondhand informant has been enticed to at least offer up the existence of some stories, and the reasons that they have not been put forward. I believe a lot of us are either offline or afraid to step forward with details. That should be understandable to any reasonable readers. Those of you who weren’t involved have no standing to neither criticize nor judge those of us who were regarding our concerns. Read the posts or don’t read them, let you mouse click take you to a better place if you don’t like it here. But stop inserting yourself into a story in which you do not belong. Or continue, but it makes you look small. The fact that you are Canadian has nothing to do with it – I know some foreigners who were “in on it” but one’s nationality has nothing to do with a story from Yosemite. Anyone who has spent any time at all there knows that the population of park residents is disproportionately international. If you are Canadian, and over 53, and were at the time a committed rock climber you could have lived there as easily as me. Curry Co. would have hired you for a season at least. Face it Syncho, you’re not old enough to have any relevance on this thread. I am not sharing info about events of the Civil Rights era for example – that was clearly before my time. Stop flaming and write on a thread which you might be able to offer more than speculative subjective opinion based on very little other than a thread about a book that may or may not be published . . . ever.

As for wrestling with a pig – it takes two to fight. Why do you bother to? If you don’t want to get muddy take a hike, jump in a lake, or go climb a rock. And if you don’t get the significance of that you sure as hell don’t know much about Yosemite or the plane. Why don’t you share some stories of events surrounding the climbing scene in Canada? I promise not to post oppositional vitriol if you do. I would not have standing to do so, just as you have no standing here.

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber

SLO, Ca

Apr 17, 2013 - 11:48am PT

I think mostly nobody beyond the small number of people actually involved really gives a sh#t about a two-bit drug smuggling operation gone awry in 1977.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Apr 17, 2013 - 12:01pm PT

I had a friend who flew drugs in the 70s and 80s, he got really tired of hearing people say "I thought you were dead"

As for this thread, "Ain't nobody got time for that . . . ."

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sidmo

Sport climber

general delivery

Apr 17, 2013 - 12:14pm PT

I don’t know about that Edgy, there was a “major motion picture” thought to be based in part on the story, as I understand. It could be a fascinating read if well done. I think Licky knows that, and his delay in publishing probably has much to do with the fact that this is a hell of a story and one he knows could be a transformative project for him as a writer. He’s probably just trying to get it right, to perfect the telling in a manner that WILL appeal to the lay reader. I for o0n, hope he succeeds, in spite of the fact that I believe he is misguided in his zeal to attack some potential sources. In his defense, he will probably get it right eventually, and I bet you’ll find it more interesting than this thread.