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monolith
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SF bay area
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Jul 21, 2013 - 04:14pm PT
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It's pretty clear there was no evidence of head banging on the sidewalk. No witness testified that happened in the trial.
The star defense witness John Good, who was the only one to say TM was on top, said he did not see any headbanging, anywhere, sidewalk or grass. Even Good said he couldn't confirm TM was hitting Zimmerman, just that there was a lot of flailing.
The body and the shell casing were found about 7 feet from the sidewalk.
De la Rionda honed in on Good's earlier statement that he couldn't confirm the person on top was hitting the other person.
"Correct," Good said.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 21, 2013 - 04:47pm PT
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intellectually lazy, along with a fair lack of comprehension
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 21, 2013 - 05:06pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 21, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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Republican Senator John McCain today:
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said on Sunday that while he does not question the decision of the jury in the Trayvon Martin case, he does think all states, including his own, should review their "stand your ground" laws.
"No one I know of has said this case is flawed or corrupt, or that there's anything wrong with the system of justice," McCain told Candy Crowley on CNN's Face the Nation. "I can also see that the stand your ground law may be something that needs to be reviewed by the Florida Legislature or any other Legislature.
McCain also praised President Barack Obama's speech about Trayvon Martin and the racial profiling that black men regularly face. While many have called Obama's speech "divisive" for emphasizing issues of race, McCain thought the remarks were appropriate.
"Events like this highlight and emphasize that we have a long way to go," McCain said. "The president very appropriately highlighted a lot of that yesterday, as only the president can."
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 21, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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McCain also praised President Barack Obama's speech about Trayvon Martin and the racial profiling that black men regularly face. While many have called Obama's speech "divisive" for emphasizing issues of race, McCain thought the remarks were appropriate.
"Events like this highlight and emphasize that we have a long way to go," McCain said. "The president very appropriately highlighted a lot of that yesterday, as only the president can.
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Jul 21, 2013 - 08:47pm PT
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SYG instructions were read to the jury.
Pre 2005 SYG, the instruction would have read that Zimmerman "cannot justify his use of force likely to cause death or great bodily harm if by retreating he could have avoided the need to use that force.
Now, if you are afraid, blast away.
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command error
Trad climber
Colorado
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Jul 21, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
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Mono maybe you can tell us how George could retreat while being straddled
and beat by the psycho Trayvon? ?
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Or is Mono selling the idiotic opinion that blacks are likely to attack strangers anywhere and rational people should preemptively retreat from any black male they meet in public?
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 21, 2013 - 09:03pm PT
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"No one I know of has said this case is flawed or corrupt, or that there's anything wrong with the system of justice,"
That's funny, I'm not a senator or anything, but I've heard this law come into questioning many times by many people in the last year or so.
What's could be wrong with a law like this?
Zimmermam's brother is concerned some vigilantes might come for him.
How ironic.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 21, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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Command Error, apparently TM didn't use enough force. It was he who was killed in the fight. He gets to stand his ground too.
Two witnesses had Zimmerman on top. Zimmerman could have backed off at the first sign of hostility. He knew the cops were on the way. All he had to do was identify himself as a neighborhood watch person and follow him.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2013 - 09:17pm PT
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We lived NEAR Watts when it burned. I have a bit more exposure than you may think. I have a S African friend i helped get back to SA during the apartheid days.
Congratulations on having a "black friend" in the 1980's. Or was he a white friend who wanted to get back to South Africa because it was pretty sweet being white there?
Ive been aware of racial goings on for quite some time.
Hell,, i even hang out in Tuscon quite a bit.!
You have hung out in Tucson? So you're literally Mexican. I had no idea. I bow to your superior knowledge of "racial goings on" which I will now defer to on all matters regardless of the fact that they contradict the experiences of millions of non-whites in this country. I, too, have hung out in Tucson but somehow lack the ability to confidently contradict people with first hand knowledge of being discriminated against.
Have you ever discriminated against some one over their skin tones HD?
I was hanging out with this girl for a time and she suggested that we go bowling. I was cool with that, bowling was something I did with a number of my friends as just kind of a fun "why the hell not get drunk, make up silly names and screw around" way. I only knew one guy my age who actually owned his own ball and shoes which we all thought was pretty weird. So this girl and I roll up to the bowling alley and she pops the trunk and pulls out her own ball and shoes and I was pretty amazed. Now I would have been surprised if any gal I was dating had pulled out her own personal bowling gear, but I realized that because she was black I had doubly assumed that we were just bowling on a lark instead of the reality which was that she grew up bowling with her family and this was something she took pretty seriously. I made a total assumption based on the color of her skin. It's a lesson that I remember all the time. Oh and I got my ass kicked bowling.
Discrimination isn't just about not serving lunch and sicking dogs on people. It's the assumptions that we make whether they be that someone is an employee of a business instead of the owner or that they look "up to no good" and deserve to be followed and have the cops siced on them. It's also discriminatory to just dismiss people's concerns about race just because you don't want to have to admit that this sh#t happens.
Ron hollered This has been the first time ANY SYG law has come into question, even though MOST states have one and have for quite some time without any incidents. Those were all voted in by local politicians IN RESPONSE to requests from their people. But one isolated incident no where near "horrific" by daily standards in the USA and now the "need looking into"..???
PUPPETS ON A STRING
Can you find an instance in a non-SYG state where someone went to prison for legitimately defending themselves? Aren't libertarian "non-Republicans" like yourself supposed to be against unneeded laws? The only strings I see on SYG belong to the NRA so you might be a bit confused about who is the puppet here.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jul 21, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
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McCain can seem remarkably lucid at times cantee?
I voted for him in 2000 (2002?)
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WBraun
climber
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Jul 21, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
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Mac-insane is a a 2 faced traitor to the USA ......
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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McCain made a pretty awesome speech on the steps of the courthouse in Prescott, Az after he had tied up the nomination and was waiting for Obama and Clinton to finish each other off. I was impressed. And then he threw everything he said in that speech out the window once the general election started.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 21, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
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you seem pretty good at profiling
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
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Ron said Good gawd if THATS what you call discrimination then every one ever where is doing it right now.
Yeah dude. As someone posted above, the distinction is the discrimination. You have literally no clue what you're talking about so why don't you start asking questions about race relations instead of acting like you already have a handle on the thing.
Or maybe you should go to Tucson and actually meet someone of the people that live there instead of just hanging out with the guy you know who is so sure that Arizona is "under siege."
Ron said Ive discussed this with my black, brown, red and yellow friends. NOT ONE argues the findings and NOT ONE thinks this is a racial issue. Im THANKFUL for my friends..
And yet there are millions and millions who disagree with them. It's almost as if you've self-selected friends who will already agree with your viewpoint. Shocker.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Jul 21, 2013 - 10:52pm PT
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Skittles. (Pontificate) .
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jul 21, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
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Ron accused You HD assume im an uneducated redneck ..
I'm sorry, Ron. Do you feel discriminated against? Cause I asked all of my redneck friends and not one of them think it's an issue.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Jul 22, 2013 - 02:05am PT
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I have one question if Z shot Trayvon in self defense while having his head pounded on the sidewalk WHERE is the blood from the gunshot wound on his clothes??
If he was within a few feet of Trayvon the blood would have splattered on him...
I think Rsin's re-enactment makes sense...Z got a punch and decided to kill in retaliation...
Rest in Peace Trayvon...what is wrong with some people in our world today...Peace Love and Happiness isn't really hard to STRIVE for!!!
F&%CK GUNS and Violence!!!
I am still trying my best to be nice to people I have a REAL PROBLEM with like RACISM...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 22, 2013 - 02:58am PT
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You can start by not calling Mexicans "Hispanic". That's considered condescending by your average Mexican on the street. Mexicans don't appreciate being called "latino", either. Just ask any Mexican, if you don't believe me.
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