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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 13, 2010 - 02:30am PT
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OK guys good discussions.
Even got GC posting something relevant (finally), Apollo ? at KSC in Florida.
I've been waiting to post this next series of images.
If Apollo 20 did take place and lifted off from Launch Pad 6 from Vandenburg, CA, in July 1976, as CMDR William Rutledge claims then let's consider the footage from the Apollo 20 ingress he has posted.
While reading the book Apollo 20: The Disclosure on vacation this past Summer, we drove by the front gate to Vandenburg AFB and I took a few shots. They give free tours onto the base the second Wednesday of every month. You can call public affairs at 805-606-2076, to sign up. Then they do background checks. They'll probably never let me go. I can just hear it now, "You wouldn't be Klimmer on ST would you?" :
These are frames from the film of the supposed Apollo 20 ingress, with CMDR William Rutledge and Leona Marietta Snyder:
Pay attention to the logos on the uniforms . . .
Rockwell International helped build all the Apollo Saturn Vs along with lunar landers etc.:
Pay attention to the patch/logo here:
I think it is this USAF patch when I went searching for a possible match. The shape looks USAF, and the inside desgn looks like the best match to me. I went through many websites of USAF patches until I found this and what I think is a match:
Here it is in stereopairs:
To me the patch on the uniform is a very good indication that the worker is an Airforce Systems Command employee. You have 3 things going on here NASA (official NASA logo), Rockwell International (logo on back of white overalls), and possible Airforce Systems Command patch on front of the white overalls. If this is true, then this is indication of USAF involvement. Weren't the Apollo missions all NASA? Was the USAF ever involved officially? As the story goes we definately know Apollo 20 was USAF and launched from Vandenburg as the story goes. Is this evidence of that? Perhaps.
One more thing. William Rutledge "retiredafb" broke this story to the World on April 1st, 2007. That is a very curious date. The history of Airforce Sytems Command is very interesting. It was renamed AFSC on April 1st, 1961. Did William Rutledge pick April 1st to break the story as a clue to the identity of the control and the overseers of Apollo 20? That the mission was mostly controlled under the close secret guidance of the US AFSC?
Note the short official history taken from a USAF history website discussing US AFSC. Note the rename date of April 1st, 1961:
I think that NASA could easily verify this Apollo mission if they wanted to. If it is another official Apollo mission, then identify it and indicate all people in the image. What Apollo mission was this if not apollo 20? When was this taken? Who exactly are these people in the image? What are their names?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:33am PT
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Saturn required leviathan ground support for assembly, rollout, and launch. You just can't hide or squirrel away an organization like that anywhere but in the movies. Operating carriers requires similarly large support organization and basing arrangements and no carrier ever made or converted in that era could do a sea-based Saturn launch. And you'd never be able to cover it up even if you could build one.
And hell, I checked you out and you're legit on the compsci front, but then are you telling me you also believe this ark on the moon business with what you know about our imagining capabilites? The LROC runs at half-meter / pixel resolution and can pick up Apollo artifacts - doesn't it seem a bit odd we wouldn't image an alien ark which would come in at what, 10k x 1.6k or so pixels?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:37am PT
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:38am PT
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I know enough of the players to think it would have leaked out big time.
Tom, isn't it possible that it did leak out to you, or more likely that it happened and that you were a KEY PLAYER, but that they BRAIN-WASHED you so you won't remember? You would have to agree that this is THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE. You can not disprove this.
We may be dealing with the PRINCIPAL CULPRIT here! It is theoretically possible.
And why build some more of these incredibly expensive birds, when we have at least three more of them sitting around as museum pieces??
But Tom, maybe that is what "they" WANT us to believe?
I also have reason to believe that much of what NASA does is just a cover-up.
It doesn't have to be a good reason, or even a rational reason--you have reason to believe. This just confirms it!!!!
(Conspiracy theorizing is fun!)
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:38am PT
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Klimmer, I've been on Vandenberg and there was never a Saturn launch capability there - ever. And you couldn't launch a Saturn from Vandenberg without the entire west coast knowing about it let alone the entire LA basin and places like Santa Barbara and Solvang. Ask Tom if he thinks you could achieve a stealth Saturn launch out of Vandenberg even if the facilities were there. Outlandishly ridiculous in every single respect.
Forget about fuzzy pictures of patches and of guys getting into capsules - we're talking about hiding one of these events:
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:39am PT
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Apparently in the case of Klimmer, it will be necessary to smack him with a 4 x 8 instead of a mere 2 x 4. Oh well, it's for his own good. A new angle for him to see 'angels'.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:45am PT
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Whoo, this is totally loaded. I think it is time to leave and let the government take over this conversation.
Cheers
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:46am PT
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GC, the base photo isn't Amundsen-Scott at the South Pole.
The NASA link doesn't click through because of the tildes--cut and paste it into your browser. He's at the South Pole station. (I'm not kidding.) THAT should give the conspiracy theorists something to think about.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:54am PT
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Hey granite can you get me a job down there at the NSA? I fast @ C&P.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 13, 2010 - 02:56am PT
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Also, space launches leave some serious chemtrails.
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Wonder
climber
WA
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Oct 13, 2010 - 03:04am PT
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Whoo, I've been on the dixie hwy. True story. Went to south FL to see the Dalai Lama.
Edit : hey check it out there are 2 chemtrails (i doint like to call them that) in the sky
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 13, 2010 - 03:04am PT
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Of course, Clyde Minaret is, strictly speaking, not granite.
Wonder, if I got you a job here, that would mean less overtime for me. Also, we are a union shop. You'd have to score a Illuminati membership first.
Klimmer wrote:
One more thing. William Rutledge "retiredafb" broke this story to the World on April 1st, 2007. That is a very curious date.
Yes, April 1st is known as April FOOL'S Day -- sometimes referred to as All Fools' Day, April 1st is not a legal holiday, but is widely recognized and celebrated as a day which tolerates practical joke and general foolishness. The day is marked by the commission of good humoured hoaxes and other practical jokes of varying sophistication on friends, family members, teachers, neighbors, work associates, and others with the aim to embarrass the stupid and naive.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Oct 13, 2010 - 03:05am PT
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I truly believe that Klimmer is one of the nephilim, and you can't prove that I'm wrong. He is the anti-Jeebus, the archenemy, Satan incarnate, sent here with his minions to tempt, vex and mislead us. Apage satanas!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Oct 13, 2010 - 03:10am PT
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He is the anti-Jeebus, the archenemy, Satan incarnate, sent here with his minions to tempt, vex and mislead us.
I'd like to see him even TRY to disprove this! It's a very possible explanation. Of course, another explanation is that he's just BAT-SH#T CRAZY.
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
I've lost track...
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Oct 13, 2010 - 03:14am PT
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sorry, but those don't look like any spacesuit that i am familiar with, not that i am the ultimate expert on them. (engineering a space suit is a really big deal)
it sort of looks like the white room on the capsule entry platform, but not enough equipment hanging around. it sort of looks like a re-creation by someone who has seen the real thing, but didn't understand what they were looking at. so perhaps it was the air force!...lol
yes, you would hear a saturn launch all the way to nevada and new mexico
yes, i think we are all brainwashed and genetically engineered.
question is what independent intellectual and spiritual capabilities do we retain independent of external meddling (i.e. intelligent design...lol)
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