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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Jan 19, 2013 - 09:28pm PT
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and now you're drying them out?
keep up the good work, I won't ask
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:01pm PT
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Like Christmas morning! That pile of records has to contain at least a few real nuggets!
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slayton
Trad climber
Here and There
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Jan 19, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
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No, I'm sure all that sh#t got smoked a long, long time ago.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 20, 2013 - 01:39am PT
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TM...the nuggets are what are missing, not what was present
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 23, 2013 - 08:39pm PT
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I just read a letter from the Park Service to Jack Dorn's mother telling her that her son was not only a Park employee, but he was a "Ranger". Go figure.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 24, 2013 - 08:22am PT
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A lot of research involves eliminating possibilities.
Sometimes enormous amounts of time are spent just to be able to say - I haven't found anything more, I think I'm done.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 25, 2013 - 01:43am PT
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Randisi...again, as I said to many others..this isn't about you. You need to sit down, or....lend a hand
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Ging831
climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
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My pops told me this story when I was a kid; started thinking about it over a bowl the other night. Interesting to find out he wasn't full of sh#t. When will this book published?? I understand it's hard to kno exactly
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 05:32pm PT
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The book was already done and turned into a movie...Cliffhanger....
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Ging831
climber
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Jan 28, 2013 - 06:46pm PT
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Cliffhanger is obviously a fictional movie.... And from what I ve read in this blog so ate the books... Fabricated and fictitious. This really happened and I'd like to hear the real story.
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Griff
Social climber
Felton, PA
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Jan 28, 2013 - 08:12pm PT
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Licky poses with boxes.
If that's like the archiving at any National Park I have ever done research at then there is nothing relevant in any of those boxes. They give you boxes of stuff and say, "there might be something in here".
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
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Griff...you obviously have been there. Out of all those boxes we came away with 21 pages of information. It took us both a full day of going over them box by box, page by page. We were not allowed to copy the pages, but we were allowed to shoot them with a 14 mpixel camera.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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hey ric, sorry to hear that. howsabout a little teaser regarding what you were looking for/hoping to find.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
BIG ISLAND or Vail ; just following the sun.......
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Lots of wet paka lolo
dats about it
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 3, 2013 - 01:54am PT
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Z...I was hoping to find a few Park reports that would give support to the final Park reports for both Jack Dorn's death as well as the NTSB's finding. Strange that the LEO's reports that would support the Park's final report would be missing.
You couldn't flow chart that if you tried.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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The government (or anybody in power) disappears embarrassing stuff all the time. I had an Air Force guy on duty slam into the back of my car while doing 120 kph while having an epileptic seizure (his job on base was harzardous waste disposal). They refused to let me see the accident report and disappeared both his and my medical records for a couple of years. Even though it was an on duty guy in uniform on an Air Force Base, I never collected a penny of insurance from them although my Japanese insurance replaced my car. I still have neck problems from displaced vertebrae.
What were they covering up? The fact that he visited the Air Force clinic numerous times for headaches and blackouts and they told him it was stress and gave him Motrin. Only when he had a grand mal seizure did they test him for epilepsy.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 12:28am PT
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Well Jan I'm not surprised. In these years as I have poked around the different Federal agencies a few common qualities have surfaced. If you play within their rules, you'll get what you want. The difficult thing is to figure out what their rules are. Sure they think they have them all spelled out, but they only make sense to those inside. And each agency is allowed to make their own rules.
Take for instance the FAA. When asked for the history of ownership of the plane OUTSIDE of FOIA, they jumped to the occasion without skipping a beat. One year later I requested through FOIA the history of the plane and I was told they have no records that could help me out. I believe it is a case of file clerkania. The clerk took more than a full year to return the files that they made copies of for me in the first place. God knows where that file is now. And so it goes with the NPS.
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Trango
Mountain climber
Livermore, CA
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Mar 15, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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bump
Oh I'm sorry -- were we going for the "longest time between posts" record?
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Apr 15, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
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ha ha, another month another nada - not a damn thing here from licky or anyone else - i was happily retired from the thread, but the rest of you dropped the rappel line - maybe some of the old haters will come back to call me an idiot and spur some vitriol from the peanut gallery - might help licky finish up, if he's still on this project - i have my doubts but who cares what i think?
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Synchronicity
Trad climber
British Columbia, Canada
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Apr 16, 2013 - 12:33am PT
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Sidmo, go find another dead horse to beat, this one has had its fill
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