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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Tiffany and Ron,
Thank you for your words of sympathy. It's been really hard on all of us, but especially the students. Here is the link:
http://nazareth.patch.com/groups/schools/p/nazareth-area-middle-school-teacher-dies
I forwarded all of the information to Dan about the last people that we know of to speak with Matt. Also told him about the problem you were having getting into Matt's web mail at home and school. He said he was turning it all over to his detective to handle and will be away for the week. Just wanted to let you know in case you were not informed. I hope this helps in some way!
Supermama
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Scragman...Scott is Dave's brother...Doh....!
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10b4me
Ice climber
Soon 2B in Arizona
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Anyway...time for me to take a deep breath and say this.....
This thread, in my opinion, has become a cluster of hypotheticals and opinions by unqualified sources that only lead to diversion from reality.
One cannot walk into a retail store and assume they are going to get the gospel truth from some pinheaded sales person.....and chasing every damn hypothetical that gets posited here is really getting annoying.
Since NO other information is coming forward regarding the information we would all LOVE..i.e. where, when, and from what trailhead did Matt go, we need to do one thing.....STOP all the friggin wordfest and re-hashing ad nauseum.... and get BOOTS on the TALUS where the evidence likely lies!!!
Too many hypothetical Chiefs.....not enough trail pounding warriors.....and time is running out....
I agree one hundred percent.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Split
welcome back
If you look back you see I've added a few more possibilities to the South Notch area.
You should also note that someone posted they had descended the Ken-Clyde couloir so this can be marked as searched.
Yes. I can re-work the word doc I sent you but not till tomorrow night at the earliest
Leaving town 0-dark00 tomorrow
I'll see if I can do it on the return flight tomorrow night.
Cragman.
I'm doing my best to get my client satisfied for a few days running and make time to get out this weekend.
Now back to my regularly scheduled byte bashing
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Hightraverse
Thanks and will do....first I have to get caught up from the past two weeks:). Have lots of posts I need to read through.
Safe travels and lets catch up when we both have time......
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Todd Quinn
Trad climber
Oceanside, CA
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:04am PT
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Well taken everyone. Respectfully I did not misquote anybody. I make friends in retail stores because I work in a climbing retail store. You have a way in bashing people that have put in the time searching for Matt. Simple I reported on what I experienced and the people I talked with. I believe Scott can be a tremendous value because of his endurance and knowledge. So yeah Cragman go buy him a beer.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Sep 10, 2013 - 12:38am PT
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I was sittin' in McDonalds looking across the street (203) at Shady Rest, trying to put myself in his shoes. If you had to start your outing from there with no car - hitching a ride seems a little over-the-top/ desperate. There is a regular shuttle to the lakes basin's trails and Mammoth Pass etc, but nothing that alluring up there name-wise which he seemed to be after. From Shady Rest Campground you'd be looking to get up the hill (free shuttle via 203/ Main St), then transfer to another (pay) shuttle down into the middle fork of the San Joaquin, caught at Mammoth Mountain Inn. As far as physically searching, I only cruised the base of Horseshoe Slabs yesterday (high traffic area) and saw nothing unusual.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Sep 10, 2013 - 06:06am PT
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Larry Conn, a member of the forum High Sierra Topix disappeared last year in the Taboose Pass area. SAR did their thing and came up with nothing. A few of us at HST got together to search areas we felt were likely. The situation was different, as there was a permit pulled, but like many of us Larry didn't stick to itineraries.
Anyway, we thrashed up and down Goodale Creek, some others check Armstrong canyon and Red Lake....his body turned up....very close to Taboose Pass proper.
Point is the most likely scenario is just that. And just because some areas have been gone over doesn't mean they are clear. I couldn't even begin to guess how many professional searchers walked right by Larrys body and gear, or at least within spitting distance.
Just don't give up!
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KellyDoesntClimb
Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
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Sep 10, 2013 - 09:14am PT
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HighTraverse, thanks for the heads up on the new possibilities and reminder that someone upthread had gone down the Ken-Clyde Couloir. It took me a couple of days to get it all into the map.
Ron/Tiff, I think it will let me export to a spreadsheet. Cragman wanted experienced climbers to focus on the Ritter range, and High Traverse made suggestions for places in the Minarets. Both are for experienced climbers. There are some trails that may not be as hard on the map. Some of the trails have been traveled, but not all.
Map:https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zH95mGu2yK0M.k0POTplcpetE
I really wish I was closer.
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KellyDoesntClimb
Social climber
Dunwoody, GA
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Sep 10, 2013 - 09:18am PT
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Thanks cragman! I figured the Ritter range was just Ritter/Banner, and the Minarets were separate.
Thanks I will make a note on all the trails if they are on the JMT or PCT.
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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Sep 10, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
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Spoke to the Detective today. He is all over getting releases for emails. Yeah! I'm so glad that ball is rolling. I agree, there could be pertinent information in the emails. I reminded him of how small our window of time is getting with the changing of the seasons.
Supermama
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Sep 10, 2013 - 07:32pm PT
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Thanks, Supermama! That's encouraging.
I appreciate your boldness and determination.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 10, 2013 - 09:06pm PT
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Thanks Supermama!
I have not got much to add tonight, though we did follow up w the individual who sent that last text to Matt and he's certain he sent it the night before which confirms Matt turned his phone on at 2:53am. Doesn't help with much - maybe he checked the time, got up to use the bathroom, went back to bed, got a Start on the day...who knows. The only other thing it does tell us is that it confirms a break in his normal pattern.
We did also get confirmation that the individuals on FB were registered at the campground as stated and the detective has reached out to them. Fingers crossed.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Sep 10, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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Tiffany/Ron
That is somewhat good news. You have established a fact......Matt's phone was off and for some unknown reason he turned it on at 2:53 am. Hope they can find something out from the campers at Shadyrest.
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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Sep 10, 2013 - 10:12pm PT
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Tiffany/Ron...
Anything to help. Let's pray the detective follows through and comes up with some kind of lead.
Split Pants....welcome back!
Supermama
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kenish
Gym climber
Orange County, CA
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Sep 10, 2013 - 11:38pm PT
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Did the garage tell Matt his car would be ready on the 17th, and what time? If they told him the 17th, would Matt be likely to hurry back and get his car before closing time, or the next morning? That might give insight to Matt's mental "timeline" for a last climb, and rule areas in or out. Apologies if this has already been asked or answered.
FYI, I read that Mammoth Lakes' city manager left, and Chief Watson is filling in....so he's got his plate full. No doubt he appreciates the search efforts. Let's hope Matt's emails provide new leads.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Sep 11, 2013 - 06:18am PT
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When he spoke to my parents on 16th, it was supposed to be ready on 18th but the Impression he gave my parents was that he expected them to string it out longer since that'd been his experience with them (keep in mind his car was in shop since June 28).
Keep in mind he spoke to the garage AFTER that discussion too so that date could have changed. I honestly don't know what they told him that last time.
FWIW, I think the invoice for the car repair was created the following week.
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Supermama
Social climber
pa
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Sep 11, 2013 - 07:13am PT
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Then there was no hurry to get back to the car until at least the 18th or later and his options were open...
Supermama
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Chief Dan Watson
climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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Detective Hornbeck previously spoke to the people camping on each side of Matthew. They did not converse with him. He has located contact information for Arnold Morales in Bakersfield and has left a message for him to call.
He also has checked with the Library. During July, there was only one wireless client who accessed summitpost.com. Other sites accessed include mountain project.com, climbing arc.com, and super topo.com. Unfortunately, the Library cannot determine who accessed the sites. They don't check the ID of computer users and have no way of knowing who is online at any given time.
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kenish
Gym climber
Orange County, CA
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Sep 11, 2013 - 12:33pm PT
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Since Matt didn't expect his car to be ready until the 18th, his "timeline" would be dusk on the 17th since the gear inventory doesn't suggest an overnight. On the 17th, sunrise was 0548, sunset was 816pm, and twilight ended at 847p. There was a quarter moon so a flashlight would be required after that. Matt seems like the type who took all that into account in his plans, along with transportation back to the campground.
Something that didn't occur to me is posting to mountain biking forums. Mammoth is crawling with MTB riders during the summer (me included). MTBR.com has a national audience, and the other is So Cal Trailriders. Terrain and laws exclude MTB from the wilderness areas, but a rider may have met Matt in town, on a shuttle bus, or at the campground. I will post a link to the "find Matt" Facebook page on both. There's similar forums for the Bay Area but I don't know the MTB "scene" there...does someone subscribe to one up there or have a friend who can post?
I don't fish, but a post on the appropriate fishing forum(s) might be good...there's quite a bit more presence in the back country compared to mountain bikers.
Hoping that retrieval of Matt's emails provide clues that increase or decrease the probability of different search areas or scenarios.
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