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bit'er ol' guy
climber
the past
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:13pm PT
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This event will do for the left what 911 did for the right.
The GOP refusing to raise taxes will be their final act.
Just wait for the Dems landslide midterm election.
Everyday the US gets more liberal.
Gay marriage, legal pot, A Big loving government hug.
Thank the dark ages GOP. Remember Mitt Romney? Sarah Palin?
AWSOME! THESE GUYS ARE ON FIRE!
They've been wrong on....well pretty.....much everything!
Their policies are about as relevant as the catholic church.
Bring on socialism!
Climb more and workless.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
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Bluerings been painting with the windows closed
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:19pm PT
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blue: Our Founder's knew this and included the 2nd Amendment intentionally! In the Declaration they even said that we have a DUTY to overthrow a gov't that is tyrannical and oppresses the rights of the governed.
Those days are long, long past my friend. You're guns are like tits on a bull for that purpose.
blue: I'm surprised that you don't realize this, Callie. What is it going to take for you to say, "Our gov't is out of control and is in disregard of our rights as citizens?"
The neocons along with Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. loyalists in W's administration absolutely raped the Constitution as did Reagan and Bush Sr. - W's crew get extra points for sodomizing the Bill of Rights and the dramatic increase in executive power. Obama is simply doing what any president of any party would do - not relinquishing any executive power which is why it was a such a mistake. But W's crew had long memories and thought both Nixon and Reagan were wronged in being called on their abuses of power. Also, all of the various pardons from Nixon on have had the effect of encouraging the abuses.
blue: Oh, and Benghazi? That one is a fresh one. It wasn't a consulate! It was a CIA station-house to run guns from Libya to Syria so we could overthrow another country.
Well, giving credit where credit is due you get this correct, it was a CIA station with an ambassador in residence which makes some sense in a fresh conflict zone when the new government has relocated away from our embassy infrastructure. But we weren't overthrowing another country and the Arab Spring was not of our making. In all of these countries our hand has been forced in order to stay relevant in the region.
blue: We were set up by the Russians who opposed the overthrow of Syria (Russia friendly). The whole thing went bad. As far as I know the SEALS weren't in on it and disobeyed orders to rescue people. This escalated the direct fire.
Please, the Russians were not involved. It was a CIA blindsiding f*#kup start to finish and there's no conspiracy of any kind, just the typical snafus that happen in conflict zones. The failure to respond was undoubtedly a joint military/CIA call by Petraeus and Panetta not wanting to repeat of our debacle in Somalia.
blue: Ask yourself this. Where are the 25-30 people who made it out of that compound? Who were rescued. Where are they? No word from them? Deprogramming? Isolation till "shit blows over"?
The staff relocated to our embassy Tripoli where we have some reasonably secure infrastructure that meets BDS standards and non-essential personnel came home to State or were redeployed elsewhere, i.e. they're back to work. Four bodies and three wounded went to Germany. There is no reason why there would be any word from them.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:20pm PT
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So, this thread has devolved into a neocon conspiracy trash heap? What a tribute.
Uh, no. The neo-cons were the problem too. Are you paying attention? The libs are to blame too.
2 partys, 1 world gov't. They like us distracted and fighting amongst ourselves.
Meanwhile....
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
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So, somebody explain this to me:
If it takes a heavily armed population to stop tyranny, how did the unarmed populations of eastern Europe kick out their Russian installed governments?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:26pm PT
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Blue: 1 world gov't.
There is no 1 world gov't - not even a 0.25 world gov't. Yeah, at this point we way off track entertaining Ron and Blue's delusions.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
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Meanwhile....
My t.v. dinners getting cold and the neighbor kid isn't here to draft up my next post
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:36pm PT
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At least stick to rants about the Newtown shooting... I'm pretty sure Adam Lanza wasn't a CIA operative in Libya.
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John M
climber
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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Obama - "I will cut the deficit in half" and so on.
Well, he hasn't quite gotten there, but it was 1.4 trillion in 2009, which was Bush's last budget. Half of which would be 700 billion. It is projected to be 900 billion for 2013. So he has lowered it quite a bit, coming close to halving it. Still got a ways to go, but he came close to halving it.
Just saying Ron.. because you have made this statement a lot for why you don't trust Obama. Just seems odd to me, especially considering the mess he was left to clean up.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
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lmao
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
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Benghazi and Sandy have this in common. Initial news reports on anything are full of wrong information. YOu can say they are both conspiracies but it seems that when I know the real circumstances of an event and then read about it, they get it all wrong.
Many of us have had that experience
Peace
Karl
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:51pm PT
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"When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe." John Muir
It is no surprise that the right wing is somehow connecting the school massacre and the need for reasonable gun regulation to the Libya attack. While a construction inspector at Yosemite in the early eighties, I was advised: "when thing go wrong, involve as many people as possible." Seems that advise is still true - any movement by the populous to embrace reasonable gun regulation is time to stir things up and confuse the matter with unrelated blather.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:54pm PT
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You willing to get NPS LEOs to give up their ARs, or just civilians?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
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but it seems that when I know the real circumstances of an event and then read about it, they get it all wrong.
Many of us have had that experience
Yep, from a simple traffic accident to a climbing fatality, to this story the press are fools,
if not outright liars.
Write a story that sells!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
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any movement by the populous to embrace reasonable gun regulation is time to stir things up and confuse the matter with unrelated blather.
In your tree-hugger jargon, what is "reasonable gun control"? Arming the people tasked with protecting our kids? Or disarming everybody so that criminals and gov't can decide what to do?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
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When you eliminate all guns, ...
Certainly not what I was thinking. Not what I've heard either (but I've been busy so maybe I missed that). Not sure that it is possible even if wanted.
Seriously Bluering - I appreciate your Cliff notes on that page. I hope my comments don't come off differently.
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John M
climber
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
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In your tree-hugger jargon, what is "reasonable gun control"? Arming the people tasked with protecting our kids? Or disarming everybody so that criminals and gov't can decide what to do?
Yes Blue... those are the only two options.
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Gary
Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
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So, somebody explain this to me:
If it takes a heavily armed population to stop tyranny, how did the unarmed populations of eastern Europe kick out their Russian installed governments?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:11pm PT
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Yes Blue... those are the only two options.
What other rules do we need applied? We already have tons of gun restrictions!
EDIT: If it takes a heavily armed population to stop tyranny, how did the unarmed populations of eastern Europe kick out their Russian installed governments?
The Pope and the threats from the US via out-arming them and them going broke as a result.
EDIT: I say arm the Kids!!!
What if the gunman kills the teacher, then it's up to the kids to kill off the wacko with a AK-47
Maybe if we give each student a grenade and a glock, they can keep the school safe
More guns, that's BluRing's and the rest of Satan's hand maidens answer to our dilemma
I thought you were going to go back to the women's titty thread. F*#k off pervert.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
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reasonable gun regulation This is what I said. Quite different from "gun control" as you believe it to be. We have little, if any debate.
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