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dirtbag
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Jul 18, 2005 - 06:44pm PT
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What planet do you live on Jody?
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dirtbag
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Jul 18, 2005 - 06:52pm PT
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I guess Jody (you) got tired as posting under his name. Why don't you explain to us why you've been posting under these alternative avatars?
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dirtbag
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Jul 18, 2005 - 07:19pm PT
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Jody was the site's pet Bible-thumping reactionary nut, who disappeared just before several new avatars such as Howie, JohnKerry, TurbinDurbin, etc. started to appear. The viewpoints written by these other avatars, photos posted, and writing styles mirror Jody's. I don't know why he decided to switch from Jody to these other Ids, nor do I really care, but it makes him look even sillier by doing so. I like to call a spade a spade, so I'll continue to call Jody Jody.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Jul 18, 2005 - 08:16pm PT
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please don't 'amen brother' me while ignoring what i am saying to you, i.e.:
hey lois-
what should society do?
should we cut those mom's off?
will the kids starve? is that ok w/ you? what will hapen then? will they turn to crime? sell drugs? steal? (all this in your community? or in someone else's backyard?) and what would be the relative costs of policing greater crime and keeping more people in prison?
or should we take her kids away?
where would they go? who would pay for their up-bringing and education? would they do better or worse in that environment?
should we "fix" such people?
who decides who gets that treatment? (maybe the liberals should get "fixed" too?)
you got issues, and you have gripes, but you have any better ideas? not.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 18, 2005 - 08:25pm PT
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This is becoming the thread that ate El Cap.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
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Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Jul 18, 2005 - 08:35pm PT
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Pay for their sexual habits? You think it is always the women? You have any idea how much women get pressured by men resulting in unwanted pregnancies?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 18, 2005 - 09:09pm PT
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There is a certain climber dirtbag hall of fame as rokjox mentions at the end of his post. An analouge to the actors in VDH's article.
Maybe he's a lurker here?
Sure seems to come up with aplicable counterpoints.
"July 18, 2005
Elegant Nonsense
by Victor Davis Hanson
Tribune Media Services
Nearly 24 centuries ago, Plato warned not to confuse innate artistic skill with either education or intelligence.
The philosopher worried that the emotional bond we can forge with good actors might also allow these manipulative mimics too much influence in matters in which they were often ignorant.
So he would cringe that the high-school graduate Sean Penn is now capitalizing on his worldly fame from "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" to pose as an informed commentator on the Iranian elections.
Then there's Robert Redford, who once played Bob Woodward in "All the President's Men" and apparently still believes that role made him an experienced Washington Post-like muckraker from the Watergate Era. These days Redford lectures reporters to go after George W. Bush, undeterred by the fact that the real journalist Dan Rather ended his career by just such an obsessed effort.
Redford and Penn, of course, aren't the only entertainers as would-be wise men and moralists who lecture us on the evils of the Bush administration.
The United States took out the Taliban in seven weeks, Saddam in three. Despite a difficult insurrection, there is a democratic government in Iraq. Yet the action-hero George Clooney pontificated, "We can't beat anyone anymore."
Bin Laden declared open season on Americans during Bill Clinton's administration, well before Sept. 11, Afghanistan and Iraq. But Sheryl Crow announced, "The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies," as if her musical genius translates into expertise on radical Islam.
Richard Gere of "The Jackal" fame elaborated: "If you can see (the terrorists) as a relative who's dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There's nothing better."
Cher often sings of losers and so drew on her artistic insight to share a complex portrait of the president: "I don't like Bush. I don't trust him. I don't like his record. He's stupid. He's lazy."
What's so disturbing about our leftist celebrities lecturing us on what has gone wrong after Sept. 11? Nothing, as long as we realize why they do it.
Entertainers wrongly assume that their fame, money and influence arise from broad knowledge rather than natural talent, looks or mastery of a narrow skill.
In fact, what do a talented Richard Gere, Robert Redford and Madonna all have in common besides loudly blasting the current administration? They either dropped out of, or never started, college. Cher may think George Bush is "stupid," but she — not he — didn't finish high school.
If these apparent autodidacts are without degrees, aren't they at least well informed? Not always. Right before the Iraqi war, Barbra Streisand issued an angry statement assuring us that Saddam Hussein was the dictator of Iran.
Second, liberal guilt over their royal status explains why leftist entertainers drown out the handful of conservative celebrities. Sanctimonious public lectures provide a cheap way of reconciling rare privilege with professed egalitarianism. British rockers draft legions of lawyers to evade taxes, yet they parade around at hyped concerts to shame governments into sending billions of taxpayers' money "to end poverty" in Africa.
Such public expressions of caring provide some cover for being long-haired capitalists — or, in the case of an impoverished Africa, not worrying how in the messy world one really deals with Zimbabwe's kleptocrat Robert Mugabe, who just bulldozed the homes of 1.5 million of his own people.
Third, celebs have lost touch with the tragic world that outside of Malibu and Beverly Hills cannot so easily be manipulated to follow a script or have a happy ending.
Thus an exasperated Danny Glover, Martin Sheen and others recently ran an ad in the trade magazine Variety lamenting that Hollywood's illegal alien nannies couldn't obtain driver's licenses to drive to their estates. How dare the voters of California not grant licenses to those who broke the law to nobly serve the exalted?
Fourth, Hollywood's megaphones don't have a very good track record of political persuasion. While Stalin and later Mao slaughtered millions, many actors still preached that communism offered a socialist utopia. Jane Fonda went to enemy Hanoi to offer marquee appeal to the communist Vietnamese but was ignorant of their documented record of murder and autocracy.
If retired actors and entertainers wish to become politicians — an old tradition, from the empress Theodora to Ronald Reagan, Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger — let them run for office and endure during a campaign sustained cross-examination from voters. Otherwise their celebrity is used only as a gimmick to give credence to silly rants that if voiced by anyone else would never reach the light of day.
In this regard, we could learn again from the Greeks. They thought the playwrights Sophocles and Euripides were brilliant but not the mere mimics who performed their plays.
©2004 Victor Davis Hanson"
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Jul 18, 2005 - 09:31pm PT
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that's great lois, and so you voted for the party that would least like to provide any government program or funding for any daycare services, and mostly because kerry stumped w/ whoopie.
seems to me that you have lots of room to complain, since you are voting republican! my point is not that the democrats have the perfect fixes, but the republican fix would be to duct tape their ankles together (which wouldn't even prevent further pregnancy).
there are costs, and there are costs. society picks up the check at some point. where you pay the bill is what the republicans will all scream about, but their solutions will never seek to give anyone opportunity, save for the powerful, the connected, and the wealthy.
btw- since you are (somewhat) in medicine, nice job by your party on the medicare drug program, best government program the pharmacutical industry could buy...
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in this age of partisan politics and divisive name calling on all sides, perhaps the one thing all americans should be able to agree upon, both those in the democratic minority, those in the bush administration, and your average man on the street, is that we collectively long for the problems and the scandals that we had when bill clinton was the president!
(for example: if you are going to be lying to the whole country and have everyone know about it, you might as well be gettin some)
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jul 18, 2005 - 09:39pm PT
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Hmm?
The Dems had their chance to show what a "liberal" (I have a certian distaste that that term has been stood on its head)
Welfare state can do.
From the start of Johnson's "Great Society" thru the Clinton era welfare reforms we, (you) spent the equal to the value of every publicly listed company and every acre of farmland in America. Untill the welfare reform act the percentage of people living in "poverty" increased every year and did not decrease untill the gravy train ended.
The fact that if a society is willing to pay for something, they will get more of it, is to deep for the died in the wool leftist to comprehend.
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Michael Moron
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Davison, MI
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Jul 22, 2005 - 12:54am PT
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Ha! This guy Turbin Durbin makes one stinking post and then sits back and watches. Where did he go?
To answer the question. Definitely. Look into the eyes of the next liberal you see. You'll have your answer.
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Ouch!
climber
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Jul 22, 2005 - 01:00am PT
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Knock it off WeirdBushButt. Your mask sucks
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Jul 22, 2005 - 08:35am PT
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Perhaps, but neo-con$ervati$m is far worse.
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toyon
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davis, ca
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Jul 22, 2005 - 12:28pm PT
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I never met an -ism I liked.
-st
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 22, 2005 - 01:27pm PT
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Well, Howweird, TGT's post was bunk. The Great Society was never funded as it should have been. Mainly because there was no political will to do so. The war in Vietnam was also a drain on resources.
Perhaps you feel pouring our nation's treasure into foreign adventure's is justified. I feel it would be better invested here.
Perhaps you have forgotten George Washington's admonition against foreign entanglement, and Ike's warning about the military-industrial complex. Or perhaps you just never knew about them. After all, ignorance of the people is the corner stone of neocon philosophy.
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Michael Moron
Social climber
Davison, MI
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Jul 23, 2005 - 12:24am PT
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After looking at some of the liberals' posts in this thread it is convincingly evident to me that they are just rambling hysterically. I know a couple of psychologists who could use some work. I will get you their contact info if you would like. I will even pay for the first visit. It is part of the overwhelming generosity I feel for helping the mentally deficient and I want to do my part to make the liberal's lives a little happier.
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WBraun
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Jul 23, 2005 - 12:31am PT
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Ok Mr Moron I agree
I'm not liberal or Demon crat nor Repulican't and I need psychological help just for reading this stuff. Please send much money to me quickly.
Thank you for your time ......
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Cuddles, the Gooey Blob of Liposuction Fat
Social climber
A big pail of goo
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Jul 23, 2005 - 12:32am PT
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Here's another idea: maybe we can suck all the bigotry, warmongering, and narrowmindedness out of the fat-laden heads of the neo-cons currently in power. Then we can feed all that goo to cows, who will then get mad neo-con disease. Instead of eating grass, the cows will then lie to the public so that U.S. troups will become involved in a never-ending military quagmire that will incite more enemies at a faster rate than we can kill them.
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Michael Moron
Social climber
Davison, MI
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Jul 23, 2005 - 12:36am PT
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"Here's another idea: maybe we can suck all the bigotry, warmongering, and narrowmindedness out of the fat-laden heads of the neo-cons currently in power. Then we can feed all that goo to cows, who will then get mad neo-con disease. Instead of eating grass, the cows will then lie to the public so that U.S. troups will become involved in a never-ending military quagmire that will incite more enemies at a faster rate than we can kill them."
And, right on cue, this guy makes a post that perfectly demonstrates the hysterical rambling I described above. Thank you immensely for your cooperation in helping me make my point.:)
WBraun, if you agree with me, you are NOT in need of professional help. You should be trying to help the poor, hapless, liberals, who do not see the light at the end of the tunnel as an escape, but the headlight of an oncoming train, the train of conservatism.
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Loom
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Sierra Nevada
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Jul 23, 2005 - 01:00am PT
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The Moron said, "if you agree with me, you are NOT in need of professional help."
I prefer Emily Dickinson's sentiment:
Much Madness is divinest Sense
To a discerning Eye--
Much Sense--the starkest Madness--
'Tis the Majority
In this, as All, prevail--
Assent--and you are sane--
Demur--you're straightway dangerous--
And handled with a Chain--
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Jul 23, 2005 - 01:52am PT
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"After TGT made his post above, the sound of crickets was deafening.
Clearly the libs had no snappy comeback for that. Does the truth hurt? "
Could it be that the vastly oversimplified statement wasn't worth responding to?
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