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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:55pm PT
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Jody
"Also, my "pro-life" stance has nothing whatsoever to do with my faith. "
It also has little to do with life either. You'll defend the rights of a few cells the size of a pin head, but on most other issue when a choice between money and the lives of others is at stake, you choose the money. Show me where you've shown concern about the plight of anybody whose already born.
This "pro-life" moniker is a joke when adopted by pro-death penalty (wasn't that what happened to Jesus) Pro-Gun, Pro-war, anti-social program crowd.
The right to life does not end at birth.
Peace
Karl
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 29, 2008 - 11:59pm PT
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So ......
Pro-life will also mean that you protect the animals and not slaughter them for sense gratification.
In general the Pro-lifers are hypocrites. They support industrialized wholesale slaughter of animals.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:07am PT
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I wrote: "Lois, I agree with what you said about Supertopo. But Time, Newsweek, many major newspapers... hell, even the National Review and Fox News have run articles very critical of Palin. Together, those are much more representative of the USA as a whole than ST. But you ignore all of those, and you seem oblivious to any posts that mention those."
Lois responded, "Granite, I happen to have a subscription to Time and the NYT. They are both decidedly left-leaning. It does not mean they are lacking in all merit but I would not call either objective."
Lois, you just did it again! You were completely oblivious to the part of the post that went against your premise!
It is as if you are wearing polarized glasses that makes you blind to half of the spectrum.
I did mention Time Magazine, but also the National Review and Fox News, both decidedly right-leaning.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:09am PT
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"This "pro-life" moniker is a joke when adopted by pro-death penalty (wasn't that what happened to Jesus) Pro-Gun, Pro-war, anti-social program crowd.
The right to life does not end at birth.
Word!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:36am PT
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"HDDJ, just shut up, would you? You haven't correctly deduced one of my responses ever. Warbler mentions my religion, I ask some questions regarding his assertion, and you start squawking that I am being defensive. You have no clue what you are talking about, so go find your happy place and stop bothering us with your juvenile crap."
Ahhh......yesssss. Happy place achieved.
(also lol juvenile crap from the nuke poster himself? tis an honor!)
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:45am PT
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WOW, the LEB strikes.
Goddamnitall Lois you double twit, before you start spouting crap about logic maybe you should bother to LEARN and UNDERSTAND something about those subjects.
But alas, that would be too much to ask of you, wouldn't it?
FYI, SOME climbers are FAR right wingers, SOME are Libertarians, and SOME are liberals.
BUT, if climbers of ANY political persuasion were as oblivious and WILLFULLY ignorant (and proud of it) as you are, most of them would be dead, for failing to see the huge problem right in front of them.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 09:26am PT
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And here's another one being honest, from today's NY Times, which of course must be wrong:
"I think she has pretty thoroughly — and probably irretrievably — proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States,” David Frum, a former speechwriter for President Bush who is now a conservative columnist, said in an interview. “If she doesn’t perform well, then people see it."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/us/politics/30palin.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
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Flashlight
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Sep 30, 2008 - 10:09am PT
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You folks are equating animals(cows) and murderers with innocent human life in the womb...nice.
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GDavis
Trad climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 11:26am PT
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:13pm PT
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You are equating a clump of cells from a rape with an innocent man wrongly convicted of murder...nice.
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:27pm PT
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Fet, I equated you with having some form of intelligence...nice.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:34pm PT
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Jody your definition of intelligence is lacking. Much like your posting.
How is the "intelligent" viewpoint to be against all abortion based on a purely emotional stance (compassion for unborn babies) and then to: advocate for war, argue that property theft is grounds for homicide, oppose support for education, oppose support for sex/contraceptive education, etc. etc..
As Karl said, the "Culture of Life" apparently ends the moment you pop out.
Personally, I understand the deep compassion that pro-lifers have regarding abortion. I just think they've been horribly, horribly misled on policy. If you actually want to reduce the number of abortions the measures you need to take are very clear. Prohibition doesn't work. Education, sex education, support for women and efforts to reduce poverty does. Ironically (or maybe sadly?) these are all things that pro-life politics excludes most of the time.
"We may not agree on the abortion rights, but we can all agree that less abortions is a good thing." -Barack Obama
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Brunosafari
Boulder climber
Redmond, OR
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Sep 30, 2008 - 12:53pm PT
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Please indulge me...I haven't been able to read all of this thread and am a little amazed by its length since S.Palin has done such a masterful job herself in refuting the suggestion of being VP.
BTW, I liked Werner's analogy of running it out, the deeper awareness most climbers have that life requires a set of skills and if neglected, there is the result of a deathly fall--the idea of responsibility and consequence. Our nation could really benefit from that.
On the subject of the Religious Right... I appreciate the distinctions Warbler makes. I've been watching this movement at close range for thirty-four years. I definately believe the Christian Right has been, and is often easily and witlessly manipulated by the the Political Right. Since Christianity, by its own admission, is populated by sheep, I mainly hold the shepherds accountable. Yet in America it is hard to excuse the sanctification of ignorance by any group or individual.
In both politics and religion, all suffer when leadership is allowed to be lazy and unscrutinized.
We expect our plumbers and electricians to know their trade. We expect teachers to be able to read and compute. We (should) expect ministers to know and reverence the Scriptures. We should expect our Vice President to love America and its people enough to understand history and to be able to intelligently articulate leadership in a supremely complex and challenging arena.
McCain and Palin have dishonored all of us, especially those who are foolish and ignorant enough to trust them with the future of our Republic.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 01:00pm PT
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I'm still waiting for one of her defenders to post just one coherent thought from that interview.
Just one!
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Flashlight
climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 01:14pm PT
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I am waiting for Obama supporters to post one good reason that qualifies him to be President, just one!
You know Palin is a viable threat based on the amount of flak she is getting.
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 01:15pm PT
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It's been done before.
Now post up or shut up and get packed for your trip!
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 30, 2008 - 01:21pm PT
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"Here's the problem, neither Palin ...have the experience or judgement to be president. "
Wow, glad you see the light and will at least admit it.
But what does it say about McCain's judgement that he appointed her?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Sep 30, 2008 - 01:32pm PT
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"I am waiting for Obama supporters to post one good reason that qualifies him to be President, just one!"
This is classic Jody.
*demands to know something*
*gets 20 substantive replies*
*acts like he didn't see them and demands again*
If you wonder why most of us just laugh at you and call you names it's because you patently ignore posts with any real substance that you might have to think about before replying, or worse yet RETHINK how you think about something.
*edit* All I see in this thread is a lot of com-palining! (boosh)
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