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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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On January 19, 1977, Old Man Winter paid an unwelcomed visit to residents of Miami, Florida (yes, Florida, not Ohio) and brought along a surprise gift -- snow! For the first time in the history of the extreme south of Florida, snow danced through the air and dusted the ground briefly. A quarter century later, the scene has not been repeated
no doubt that was what caused terri shavio's heart to stop beating in the 1st place!
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and as i'd said before, you did have to read about it online.
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WBraun
climber
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The clever word jugglery of Matt....
Arguing all the specific points in Matt's points is a waste of time. I could, but he will simple counter argue and we could go on with this for many lifetimes.
You have no power to drive away this mist, except through the clever use of word jugglery.
Case closed!
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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last word
=)
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Except for the Tasaday. They are all going to Hell.
In the early '70s an isolated tribe called the Tasaday were discovered in the Phillipines. They were hunter-gatherers living with Stone Age technology, and had had no contact with the outside world.
About this time a Methodist minister came by to bring me back to church going. I asked him what was to become of the Tasaday. They had never heard of Jesus Christ, and had never had a chance to accept Him as their Savior.
He said it was too bad, but they were doomed to Eternal Damnation, along with everyone else who had never accepted JC.
Luck of the draw, eh?
While the Tasady turned out to be a hoax, the idea was the same. People, who through geography had never been exposed to Jesus were condemned for eternity. Cool, huh? What a god.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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So they went to heaven, even though they had not accepted JC as their personal Savior?
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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no gary, they were f*#ked, just like the rest of the folks that aren't subservient to that particular gaawwd.
you cannot be inflexible on the idea of creation and then be flexible on the idea of absolution, not gonna cut the mustard.
oh, and those missionaries, like many before them, probably brought some spectacular western diseases that the native peoples were without any genetic immunity to, and in that way and others they probably began a snowball effect that ruined the culture and killed off it's people- par for the course, historically speaking.
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WBraun
climber
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So Matt, how many gods are there?
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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headintheclouds asked:
> So... is there a bolt on Double Cross; or not???
No bolt. This is an ancient practical joke that used to appear on the rec.climbing newsgroup every year around April Fool's Day, posted by Jeff Batten (aka Juan de Fuca, aka Rockstar, etc.). Now it is just an "in joke". Back then he apparently used to climb some and tried to get up Washington Column and the Nose. And he didn't troll except on April Fool's. Now it seems 99% of his posts to various forums are trolls, and he posts quite often. Too bad, because a high volume of trolls makes people less willing to participate, for fear that they can't distinguish trolls from real questions/facts. And trolls can be funny if they are done a little less often. But if it's just the same thing over and over it's not funny to me.
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OW
Trad climber
Patagonia
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I thought Rockstar was at JT last Friday. Does the continued existence of this thread imply that he's going back again? I thought someone offed him last week? Will he retrobolt Double Cross every time he drags his crippled carcass to the desert?
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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So Matt, how many gods are there?
the greeks thought there were a bunch of them, so who is to say they were wrong? i don't have the answers for you werner, just like you don't have the answers for me. i generally don't object to anyone else's own personal thoughts or interpretations on the matter, but just to make conversation, if a certain religion offers a choice between it's way or the highway (to hell), isn't that a little like spiritual terrorism?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2005 - 12:52pm PT
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So how can you believe all this religous mumbo jumbo without proof a soul exists?
For all you know we are just the result of the periodic table and eons of time.
As for the bolt on Double Cross, it has been chopped as of Sunday. But I plan to replace it Saturday.
I was over in Venice last night at Maxwell's Cafe and Largo was crying, he told me that he cannot figure out what is real any more on Supertopo and will never post again.
Juan "Okay I will try to be like Jesus" DeFuca
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yo
climber
NOT Fresno
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Hearing Jody yap about peace and gentleness just makes me laugh and laugh and laugh. Who says I don't have joy?
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WBraun
climber
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Largo was crying? about supertopo?, that's a total crock of sh-it Juan.
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2005 - 01:20pm PT
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He said he has been scared away, due to guy with no sense of humor.
Juan
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2005 - 01:21pm PT
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What happened to that War thing in Iraq?
Did we win?
Juan
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Juan wrote: "I am not trying to be difficult. I seen to have experienced a drastic shift in my perception of the world in the last few months every since I have started reading Buddha books."
Forget the books--find a zendo and start practicing Zazen mediatation. It all issues from he practice. You're working in reverse.
JL
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Ca
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If I look so deeply into myself during meditation that I see god, does that mean that he is me?
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JuanDeFuca
Big Wall climber
Chatsworth
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2005 - 02:53pm PT
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Yes you are God, but do you have a Soul.
For all I know you guys are figments of my Imagination.
Juan
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Ca
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Did you mean I am a god or a rock god? And I am afraid that a soul was not provided to me a birth. Well, I will just have to make do without.
How about you?
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