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jstan
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Only recently did I learn Hillel's purportedly original phrasing of the Golden
Rule. "Do not do unto others as you would not have them do unto you."
Does the fact I think there is basic truth here, make me "religious?"
Yet again we have fallen prey to the "UNDEFINED." After 10,000 years,
perhaps more, this term means something different to each person. And
so means nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Might we carefully take all our beliefs, all our bibles, all of our baggage
and put them aside, and then ask ourselves, "Do I believe there is truth
there? If we believe there is truth there, then we have to ask ourselves
if that truth has affected in any way what we did that day.
If people were simply to become comfortable both with their successes
and their failures in the pursuit of this truth, and it will never be more
than a pursuit, we would be blessed. Graced by the integrity and the
honesty we have discovered residing in our own minds.
Blight:
You need to read my reply. You did not ask an answerable question.
A very old device leading to no answers.
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Blight
Social climber
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"Might we carefully take all our beliefs, all our bibles, all of our baggage and put them aside"
Put aside the source of your truth and you turn aside from the other truths you might find there.
Keep it open and search other sources too and you'll not be left with the only one idea, you'll be blessed with many.
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Blight
Social climber
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Oh and the question was perfectly answerable.
You just didn't have the courage to face the answer because it made a nonsense of your petty claims about religion.
That's your problem, not mine.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Come on, Blight is just that-- a blight on reason, LOL.
He is a sophist, a rhetoritician, and full of tricks that lead in circles.
Hey blight, show ONE instance of how you are presenting logical reasoned arguments that DON'T rely on "Well, it's a matter of faith. You just have to accept it."
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drgonzo
Trad climber
east bay, CA
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For Blight, Werner, and their peeps.
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Blight
Social climber
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"Hey blight, show ONE instance of how you are presenting logical reasoned arguments that DON'T rely on "Well, it's a matter of faith. You just have to accept it."
Did I say that?
Of course I didn't.
You have some sort of deep-seated need to believe that I did, but that only says how messed up you are.
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Blight
Social climber
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Ha! Ha! Ha!
I love that guy! And the film was just brilliant.
Thanks Gonzo!
:)
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jstan
climber
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Blight:
Why would I put aside something I believe true? In order to fill my basket with more, more, more, more? Yet leaving the truth unfulfilled?
Is this not greed?
Why would I strive for 100 truths, none fulfilled?
This is evil.
Evil: "Something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity."
None fulfilled?
Calamitous!
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Um hey blight, you failed to conprehend what I wrote (not so unexpected).
I said, YOU have not made any reasoned argument on the behalf of your beloved fairy tales, yet you are having a hissy fit claiming the other side does not make rational arguments or have original thoughts.
So tear yourself away from your rhetorical treachery (hard for you I know) and pony up.
OR, you can just choose to relegate yourself to the waste bin of the truly FOS.
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Blight
Social climber
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> Why would I strive for 100 truths, none fulfilled?
You said yourself that it's good to accept that the search is just that, a search.
Yet now you reverse yourself and claim that the search is a kind of greed.
You're so busy congratulating yourself on finding truth in the golden rule that you've forgotten that most small children can find that same truth: it's one of the first and very very simplest truths in religion.
It's clear that a further search might bring more insights. In fact that why most people practice religion: it's a fulfilling and ongoing search. But instead you look for excuses not to search: "it's greedy" "it's evil" and so on.
Have you stopped to ask yourself why?
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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"Because obviously if you don't then you're reduced - again - to parrotting what you've been told to believe."
EXACTLY Blight - YOU are parroting what you've been taught to believe, just like the others you are accusing of the same thing.
Arrogant hypocrisy from the one who knows all.......
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Blight
Social climber
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"I said, YOU have not made any reasoned argument on the behalf of your beloved fairy tales"
Yes, that's what I'd expect you to think.
Of course I've never posted more than the barest sketch of what I actually believe - and yet you feel driven to characterise it as "fairy tales".
This is just your need to pigeonhole me safely; to avoid the need to address what I really believe by establishing your total iognorance of it and lumping it together as automatically false.
You don't have a clue what I believe - if you did of course you'd quote and criticise it directly. But you can't, resorting instead to the most pathetic of unthinking fallbacks: the claim that whatever I believe it must be wrong.
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Blight
Social climber
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> YOU are parroting what you've been taught to believe
Then you'll be able to show where I source my material from.
Quotes, references, simple stuff like that.
I occasionally quote John Gray and others but 98% of what I write here is my own.
If you think it's not, go right ahead and prove it.
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Well dude, the reason we don't have a clue is because you repeatedly refuse to make any statements about or defending your beliefs.
Instead you attack everyone else's with the same old tired BS tricks that your ilk always use.
And at any rate, your current bitching is just a way for you to side step what we asked you for. Twist and turn, always avoid the issue, side track, obscure-- that's what you do.
But you do apparently have a use-- you got Doug B to make a short clear statement that hit the nail right no the head.
But, since you've refused to engage in any sort of meaningful debate, after repeated requests, it's time to ignore you and your prattle.
Troll.
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Blight
Social climber
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"Well dude, the reason we don't have a clue is because you repeatedly refuse to make any statements about or defending your beliefs"
Why should I defend my beliefs if they're not being attacked?
It would certainly fit with the pattern of your pathology atht you want me to post up what I believe in with the express intention that you should then attack it.
Again, that only says that you're excessively agressive about this issue - the very use of "defending" as if an assault is to take place speaks volumes to your attitude.
"it's time to ignore you and your prattle. "
But you won't.
That's the true, squirming furstration of athiesm. Far from being "without god", the vast majority of atheists are obssessed by god and religion. Far from being content and peaceful without religion, you just can't stop talking about it. That is the source of the discomfort you then blame people like me for.
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WBraun
climber
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Yes faith and belief must be there in the beginning steps, but still they are not the end all. There must be proof.
Yes, no sane man will go on belief and faith alone without the ultimate truth and proof.
A man lost in the desert dying of thirst comes upon an inhabitant that lives there. He asks him if there is any water near by. The man tells him to go 1/2 mile farther and he will come upon a certain marker and then offer his obeisances unto it and then he will be lead to water.
The lost dying of thirst soul will have to have faith and believe this person is telling the truth. So he goes the half mile.
He gets to the marker and says this is all bullsh'it.
I don't see any fukin water man!
He forgot to follow the instructions correctly.
He did not offer his obeisances.
Oops .......
Follow instructions correctly, it's the scientific method.
Yeah .....
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Blight,
All your own.....Bull sh#t, or I should say Blight-sh#t.
It is all from that rag of a book called the bible that was written between 6000 and 1800 years ago by a bunch of tribal idiots who were trying to make sense of the world they lived in at the time.
All of your thoughts did not miraculously just pop into your head. You had to have had input from somewhere.
If you contend that the information you are spewing DID just pop into your head, I say we put you away for ever and categorize you in with "son of sam" who heard voices telling him what to do.
You are such a f*#ked up, brain-washed person.
Agnostics like me are not arrogant as#@&%es like you and don't pretend to know it all.
Were just as#@&%es.
For both you and werner..
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dirtineye
Trad climber
the south
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Even the simple idea of proof evades the believers.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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It would be fun one day to sic a Jesuit on the creationists around here, and then sit back and watch.
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