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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Feb 23, 2011 - 01:29am PT
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I guess I'm kinda of glad you got caught Blue. It gives us an opportunity to tell others that 1) yes enforcement at Summit is real, you often see the truck at the rock, and 2) to preserve whatever clout local climbers might have in their discussions with the land managers to restore access, I'd ask that climbers stay off of Summit Rock until access is restored.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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who's yo daddy...
lets get baked
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2011 - 11:30am PT
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I called you yesterday, Sprock. We went to Mt Doom.
call me 408-261-1366. I ain't climbing today though.
Regarding the 'Summit Bust', I had it coming. I took my buddie's nephew up there so I could test drive my cross country skis. I did. But then I thought it would be cool to show him the view. I did.
We got popped.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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wow, cool, XC skiing in CRSP?
bluering, if that ever happens again, lemme know, I want to go skiing! (of course, it never will)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 6, 2011 - 01:05pm PT
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I suppose it goes without saying, the boy's dad and my buddy weren't too happy to hear we were BOTH issued citations. And the boy is on probation.
According to the nice ranger though, the citation would not really affect his record.
As I said, we jumped a fence that was clearly marked. I do not blame the tool.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Man, some people will do anything to avoid climbing...
Cleo, not the first time in my memory it's snowed there. I've skied Grizzly peak, too. Not to mention the cruel slopes of Orinda!
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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bluey
I'm assuming you were busted by Santa Clara County Parks, not State Parks.
If "Mark" is who I'm thinking of, he's a good guy, very reasonable. Let's keep the Sanborn Park staff on "our side" by treating them respectfully even when they catch us in flagrante delecti as it were.
Sorry you and the kid got popped. How much $?
what's wrong with this picture?
"I have guns, fishing poles and climbing gear, but no skis in the back."
Guns are prohibited (even unloaded) in your possession at Sanborn Park (all Santa Clara County Parks).
Haven't been any salmon in the San Lorenzo RIver watershed for at least 40 years.
6" of snow on the ground.
So what the f$(*K did you really have in mind?
(just yanking yer chain)
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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FYI: On the evening of Feb. 2nd, I attended a meeting of the Santa Clara County Parks and Recreation Commission and asked one of the board members how to get the Summit Rock Raptor Closure issue placed on the agenda. The other members of the Access Fund Summit Rock group, including Paul Minault, all know about this now and I assume it is going to be an issue at a subsequent meeting. So, in the current political climate, it doesn't seem like it's really a good idea to get busted out there trespassing on Summit in Sanborn-Skyline County Park. True, things are moving at a snail's pace, but things are still moving in the right direction. Of course, County Parks has a naturalist up at State Fish and Wildlife who says that Summit should be closed year round to protect the peregrines, but the Access Fund and the Summit Rock group have another naturalist at UCSC who says the closure should be strictly "seasonal". In the meanwhile, keep your powder dry and don't rock the boat. As Blue notes, the rangers at Summit have always been quite friendly (up until now), unlike some of the past and current staff at CRSP. Just wanted to let you know that something is indeed happening behind the scenes. If you want to be part of the Summit Rock group, contact Paul Minault @ the Access Fund.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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This is my wishful thinking of course, but when the Summit Rock closure is listed as an action item on the agenda of the Santa Clara County Parks & Recreation Commission, the panel will meet and ask County Parks to explain their actions. Then, who knows what happens next? Think that Paul Minault and the Access Fund Summit Rock Group are looking into it. But I haven't heard anything from them in a while. I know there should be quite a few people providing inputs on the Raptor issue. Issue still in doubt. If I hear anything definite, I'll be sure to mention it here unless I've been told to keep my trap shut.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Mar 16, 2011 - 03:26pm PT
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Access Fund thinks this program in the Platte may serve as a pattern for our own efforts at Summit Rock in Sanborn-Skyline County Park:
"New raptor monitoring program in the South Platte will provide greater climbing access
Home to the iconic Wunsch’s Dihedral and Center Route on Cynical Pinnacle, as well as Topographical Oceans on the Dome, the Cathedral Spires area will see a new change in climbing management by Jefferson County Open Space. Jefferson County has been a leader in raptor protection policies that provide a good balance between public access and wildlife protection, yet for many years, resource managers lacked the resources and legal access necessary to actively monitor the expansive Cathedral Spires area. As a result, a blanket closure was enforced from March 1st to July 31st every year.
We are pleased to announce that the County recently gained legal access from a municipal water district, which will enable annual monitoring at Cathedral Spires, preventing a blanket closure. A full area closure is expected from March 1st through the end of April. During this time, the County will locate active nest sites, evaluate the minimum buffer size, and implement spot closures.
We thank all of the local advocates that expressed their concerns about the closure with Jefferson County. In the last five years specifically, local climber Jason Haas of Fixed Pin Publishing took an active role in working with the county to address the issue. In addition, Jefferson County Park Ranger Mike Morin played an instrumental role in helping redesign the management plan with Jefferson County. The Access Fund assisted with outreach and site visits to the Cathedral Spires and will continue to advise on climbing management.
Stay tuned for an update in May regarding access to specific crags at http://status.accessfund.org. If you are interested in their volunteer raptor monitoring program, contact Jefferson County Open Space about joining a training session.
For more information, see the Access Fund's raptor management policy."
Wait and see!
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Mar 17, 2011 - 03:48pm PT
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Heard from the Access Fund yesterday that there is indeed someone working on getting the Summit Rock Raptor Closure issue on the agenda of the Santa Clara Parks and Recreation Commission. Will keep you informed about the date and time of the meeting, which will probably take place in downtown San Jose. Hoping for a big turnout!
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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According to Paul Minault of the Access Fund, the Santa Clara County Recreation Commission is meeting tomorrow, May 4th, 2011, at 6:30 pm in San Jose. The agenda item has been reduced to a presentation by Don Rocha of the Parks Dept. on management of the peregrines at Summit in response to a letter from Glenn Stewart, the senior biologist at UC Santa Cruz, who is an expert on peregrines and their nesting habits. Paul says he is waiting to hear back if the Summit Rock Access Fund group can speak, or if this is just a staff presentation?
Can anyone attend this meeting? We do need people in attendance who want a reasonable seasonal closure of Summit Rock to allow for raptor nesting, instead of the current blanket closure of the whole rock. It seems as though it would be a shame if Summit Rock, one of the most popular climbing venues in the whole Bay Area, remained closed permanently due to a lack of interest on the part of climbers. Summit Rock, incidentally, contains some of the only natural cracks in the Bay where traditional lead climbing with gear can be practiced. There are also incredible views of the whole Bay Area from the ledge at the top of the First Tier.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Not sure it's a lack of interest by climbers. Also not sure how much help the access fund has been. It's a shame when I am hearing about this on the taco and not emailed from the access fund. Maybe they suddenly are getting spammed?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nothing I like better than a republician complaining about law and order ;)
They always vote for stiffer punishments and then they cry when it happens to them ;)
PS. This post was written in response to the first page OP. i had no idea that the thread drift had gone in to raptor land.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Well, I was in attendance last night at the Santa Clara County Recreation Commission meeting at City Hall in San Jose. Paul Minault from the Access Fund did testify that some kind of arrangement should be worked out where Summit Rock should be closed on a seasonal basis to allow the Peregrines to nest there. Paul had introduced into the record a letter from Prof. Glen Stewart of the Raptor Group at UC Santa Cruz to the effect that a blanket year-round closure was exceptional and went against standard practice in all other Peregrine nesting areas in the whole USA. However, the Commission and Don Rocha from County Parks would not hear a word of compromise on the issue. The Commission voted unanimously to continue the ban on access to Summit Rock year round. One of the members of the Commission even started talking about stripping the bolts on top of Summit to keep climbers from ever rapelling down and disturbing the Peregrines. Paul says that we should have some kind of public meetings where the various interested groups should hammer out some compromise solution that would allow climbing to go on at Summit at the times that the Peregrines were not in residence there.
IOWs: We got stone walled. The next step up the hierarchy is to the County Board of Supervisors, but that might end in the matter being sent back to the Commission and County Parks. We already know what their answer will be. Well, I guess we better just keep on trying! At least, our arguments have been written into the public record. It's been my experience that getting the newspapers involved. One nosy reporter will get the authorities moving faster than a hundred public meetings. But that's just my take on the situation. Sure worked with MROSD up in the Aquarian Valley back in 1996-97. Wait and see!
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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thx Bruce and Paul, glad you guys were able to attend.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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http://www.sccgov.org/
Mission Statement
To act in an advisory capacity to the Board of Supervisors in promoting, aiding, encouraging and conducting public recreation, including the acquisition and development of recreation and park facilities and programs, and in the planning, maintenance, development and operation of all recreational areas and facilities owned, controlled or leased by the County.
Meeting Schedule
Meetings are held on the first Wednesday of each month at 6:30 PM at the County Government Center.
Member Roster
* John Gibbs
* Sparky Harlan
* Jan Hintermeister
* Steve Munzel
* Ann Waltonsmith
* Greg West
* 1 vacancy
It would appear that the Commission may not be acting pursuant to their Mission Statement or the governing Santa Clara County Ordinance and is not "promoting, aiding, encouraging and conducting public recreation."
http://library.municode.com/HTML/13790/level4/TITAGEAD_DIVA33ENREAG_CHIVDEPARE_ART2PARECO.html
Sec. A33-73. - Duties; purposes.
The Commission shall act in an advisory capacity to the Board of Supervisors in promoting, aiding, encouraging and conducting public recreation, including the development of recreation and park facilities and programs therefor, and shall act in an advisory capacity to the Board of Supervisors in the planning, maintenance, development and operation of all recreational areas and facilities owned, controlled or leased by the County. It shall study and make recommendations to the Board of Supervisors on the acquisition and development of recreation areas and facilities such as, but not by way of limitation, playgrounds, parks, beaches, pools, campsites and other recreational facilities.
Commission members are appointed by the Supervisors of Santa Clara County.
http://library.municode.com/HTML/13790/level4/TITAGEAD_DIVA33ENREAG_CHIVDEPARE_ART2PARECO.html
Sec. A33-71. - Membership and term.
The Commission shall consist of seven members. Five members shall be appointed, one each, by individual Supervisors and shall be representative of the five County supervisorial districts. Two shall be representatives of the County at large to be appointed, one each, on a rotational basis by individual Supervisors. The rotational sequence for making these two appointments shall be determined by the Board of Supervisors and thereafter shall continue as so designated.
Each Commissioner shall have a term of four years and until his or her respective successor is appointed and qualified. No member shall be eligible to serve on such Commission for more than three consecutive terms. A vacancy shall exist and shall be reported to the Board of Supervisors whenever a Commissioner fails to attend more than three consecutive regular meetings of the commission without good cause entered into its minutes.
If you don't like what they are doing tell the Supervisors.
http://www.sccgov.org/
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Paul Minault of the Access Fund is currently mulling over the next step. And, yes, one of the courses of action being considered is to contact the County Board of Supervisors. Don't want to follow that course of action prematurely however because the Board of Sups may just throw it back to the County Park and Rec. Commission. We learned last night what their position is on the matter.
No whine before its time!
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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May 12, 2011 - 03:38pm PT
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Just learned an important piece of information regarding the original Summit Rock bequest to the State/County. Russell Varian and his family used to climb at Summit many years ago. When the Varian family gave Summit Rock to the State/County, they gave it with the intent of it being a place to climb. Need a lot more detailed information of course, but this might give the Access Fund and the Summit Rock group some additional leverage in their negotiations with Santa Clara County Parks.
Wait and see!
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Fluoride
Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
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May 12, 2011 - 03:45pm PT
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Bluey - two words. Flip cam.
I haven't gone through the nearly 200 posts but I realize this happened to you several years back.
Having this incident on tape will go a long way towards helping your case. Otherwise it's just his word against everyone else's. Have a flip cam at the ready if you think you're going to be tooled, it will present your side of the story in court.
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