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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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She knows the whole Kav confirmation was a sham. Her conscience finally got to her.
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Don Paul
Social climber
Washington DC
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About three hours earlier an anti corruption watchdog released a report about the private flights and kickbacks she's been taking, doesn't even mention the $10,000 curtains she bought for her office with public funds. Good riddance
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Look,they do not care what kind of person their president is ,why would they care what kind of person their judge is going to be. wilbeer, this is brilliant. You've crystalized it all into one short sentence. Well done.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Obama didn’t have a vested interest in getting a judge like Garland approved, rather than a judge like Gorsuch approved?
All presidents and all administrations have a vested interest in furthering their objectives. That’s what they do. That’s why people vote for them to do the things they do.
So we didn’t get as robust an investigation as we’d like to have gotten.
Still though, we got an investigation. That’s good right?
The point isn't to do a robust investigation before you follow through on a pre-determined decision to confirm them.
It is to a robust investigation and if enough red flags come out, you withdraw the nomination and nominate the next candidate on the list that passes your litmus test.
I believe Obama would have withdrawn a nominee like Kavanaugh. Besides the allegations, his temperament during the hearings should have disqualified him.
But Trump and Republicans can't ever admit a mistake or make a course correction. Instead of moving on to a non-controversial candidate like another Gorsuch, they double down. We will confirm a candidate, no matter how vile, no matter that we could have gone to candidate B that would have pushed the same conservative agenda, just to prove that we have the power to be dicks, and to prove that not only do we want a completely partisan court, we want to gleefully announce to the public that we want a partisan court.
Its a sad day for American democracy.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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His wife is thinking, "Gee, maybe he won't come home drunk tonight."
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Did a search into Mueller's progress. Found this:
https://www.justsecurity.org/60981/force-muellers-hand-midterms-exceptions-doj-60-day-rule/
Apparently, the DOJ avoids "overt law enforcement and prosecutorial activities close to an election".
“No Department policy contains a specific prohibition on overt investigative steps within a particular period before an election,” the report notes. But the department has “a longstanding unwritten practice to avoid overt law enforcement and prosecutorial activities close to an election, typically within 60 or 90 days of Election Day.” The IG reported that some officials put the time period at 60 days, while others cited a 90-day timeframe.
In each of the past three presidential election years, the sitting attorney general has issued a reminder memorandum, though not for midterms.
So, I'm wondering what the hell Comey was thinking, when he dropped the hammer on Hillary, two weeks before the election???
EDIT: Yes, I know what Comey said. What I didn't know about the 60 day rule.
Puts Comey's actions in different What-the-f*#k-where-you-thinking??? light.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Edward, Comey has stated why he issued his Hillary email "finding" a long time ago
google it, 1/2 second search time
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Hey Norton.
Where you been?
What do you think about the latest addition to the SCOTUS?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/06/kagan.oath.faq/index.html
Q: Does the president have to attend any of the official or ceremonial swear-ins?
CNN:
No, but it has become a recent tradition. For the first 150 years, there was almost no presidential involvement. The first swear-in ceremony at the White House was in 1940, when President Franklin Roosevelt invited Justice Frank Murphy. Every president since has attended an oath ceremony for at least one of his appointees. And every current member of the court except Sotomayor has had an oath ceremony at the White House. Several of these were symbolic, since the justices may have already been sworn in officially earlier, so they could begin their work right away.
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Edward Asks:
What else was there to investigate?
One person's recollection from 36 years ago. Full of holes. None of the supposed witnesses backed her story.
------------------------- Here’s a list of the people who we know have NOT been interviewed:
A suitemate of Kavanaugh’s has now told the New Yorker he remembers hearing at the time about the incident Deborah Ramirez has recounted. Ramirez, who has been interviewed, had claimed that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her during a dorm party at Yale. The suitemate, Kenneth G. Appold, now says he is “one-hundred-per-cent certain” that he was told the culprit was Kavanaugh. He does say he never discussed this with Ramirez, but he claims an eyewitness described the episode to him at the time. Appold has tried to share this story with the FBI, but there’s no indication the FBI is willing to hear from him.
A classmate of Kavanaugh’s at Georgetown Prep now strongly challenges one of Kavanaugh’s assertions under oath. The person told the New Yorker that he heard Kavanaugh talk repeatedly about Renate Dolphin as someone “that everyone passed around for sex” (the witness’ words), and even heard Kavanaugh singing a rhyme that included the words “you wanna get laid, you can make it with REE-NATE.” Kavanaugh (and many others) described themselves in their yearbook as a “Renate Alumnius,” but Kavanaugh has denied under oath that this was a sexual reference, claiming, ludicrously, that it was intended to show “affection.”
This classmate is not named by the New Yorker. But he put his name on a statement to the FBI and Judiciary Committee that makes this claim, and he is prepared to talk to the FBI. There is no indication this happened.
James Roche, one of Kavanaugh’s roommates at Yale, has written a piece for Slate that claims Kavanaugh lied under oath about his use of slang and his drinking. Roche claims that Kavanaugh “regularly” blacked out. Roche has offered to talk to the FBI, but there’s no indication this happened.
Roche also pointedly added of Kavanaugh: “He said that ‘boofing’ was farting and the ‘Devil’s Triangle’ was a drinking game. ‘Boofing’ and ‘Devil’s Triangle’ are sexual references. I know this because I heard Brett and his friends using these terms on multiple occasions.” Roche concluded that Kavanaugh “has demonstrated a willingness to be untruthful under oath about easily verified information.”
NBC News reports that the FBI has not contacted dozens of people who could potentially corroborate the allegations against Kavanaugh or testify to his behavior at the time. This includes many people who knew either Ford or Ramirez at the time, and people who actually approached the FBI offering information.
The Post reports that Ramirez’s lawyers provided the FBI with a list of more than 20 people who might have relevant information, but “as of Wednesday, Ramirez’s team had no indication that the bureau had interviewed any of them.”
Blasey Ford’s legal team today put out a list of additional people who have not been contacted by the FBI, some of whom were prepared to corroborate that she had in the past discussed being the victim of a sexual assault by a federal judge.
Neither Ford nor Kavanaugh have been interviewed by the FBI.
As the Brookings Institution’s Susan Hennessey points out: “It is inconceivable they could close a real investigation without re-interviewing Kavanaugh.”
Does this list change your opinion of the completeness of the Supreme Court nomination "vetting" process, Edward? Or do you support "Kav" irregardless, presumably because of your obvious admiration for Donald Trump and his deep intellect in picking an extreme right wing judge to put on the Court who judicial decisions you have reviewed and agreed with?
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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you guys getting it all figured out in here? I assume that the ST brain trust has totally got it.
more and more, the damn smokin' duck has got it right. Brennan spews some truth too, for the real.
I sure missed the snark and not-so-campfire-ey boy's-club drama scene while I was out fête'ing my life partnership, and I actually climbed some things, chopped wood and carried water, and had this fella make art for my whole new family:
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Fat Dad ,thanks ,I am going to Cornell ,part time ,co operative extension.
Lol.
Yes,when I am 62 , I will be a Environmental Engineer.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Here’s a list of the people who we know have NOT been interviewed:
A suitemate of Kavanaugh’s has now told the New Yorker he remembers hearing at the time about the incident Deborah Ramirez has recounted. Ramirez, who has been interviewed, had claimed that Kavanaugh exposed himself to her during a dorm party at Yale. The suitemate, Kenneth G. Appold, now says he is “one-hundred-per-cent certain” that he was told the culprit was Kavanaugh. He does say he never discussed this with Ramirez, but he claims an eyewitness described the episode to him at the time. Appold has tried to share this story with the FBI, but there’s no indication the FBI is willing to hear from him.
A classmate of Kavanaugh’s at Georgetown Prep now strongly challenges one of Kavanaugh’s assertions under oath. The person told the New Yorker that he heard Kavanaugh talk repeatedly about Renate Dolphin as someone “that everyone passed around for sex” (the witness’ words), and even heard Kavanaugh singing a rhyme that included the words “you wanna get laid, you can make it with REE-NATE.” Kavanaugh (and many others) described themselves in their yearbook as a “Renate Alumnius,” but Kavanaugh has denied under oath that this was a sexual reference, claiming, ludicrously, that it was intended to show “affection.”
This classmate is not named by the New Yorker. But he put his name on a statement to the FBI and Judiciary Committee that makes this claim, and he is prepared to talk to the FBI. There is no indication this happened.
James Roche, one of Kavanaugh’s roommates at Yale, has written a piece for Slate that claims Kavanaugh lied under oath about his use of slang and his drinking. Roche claims that Kavanaugh “regularly” blacked out. Roche has offered to talk to the FBI, but there’s no indication this happened.
Roche also pointedly added of Kavanaugh: “He said that ‘boofing’ was farting and the ‘Devil’s Triangle’ was a drinking game. ‘Boofing’ and ‘Devil’s Triangle’ are sexual references. I know this because I heard Brett and his friends using these terms on multiple occasions.” Roche concluded that Kavanaugh “has demonstrated a willingness to be untruthful under oath about easily verified information.”
NBC News reports that the FBI has not contacted dozens of people who could potentially corroborate the allegations against Kavanaugh or testify to his behavior at the time. This includes many people who knew either Ford or Ramirez at the time, and people who actually approached the FBI offering information.
The Post reports that Ramirez’s lawyers provided the FBI with a list of more than 20 people who might have relevant information, but “as of Wednesday, Ramirez’s team had no indication that the bureau had interviewed any of them.”
Blasey Ford’s legal team today put out a list of additional people who have not been contacted by the FBI, some of whom were prepared to corroborate that she had in the past discussed being the victim of a sexual assault by a federal judge.
Neither Ford nor Kavanaugh have been interviewed by the FBI.
As the Brookings Institution’s Susan Hennessey points out: “It is inconceivable they could close a real investigation without re-interviewing Kavanaugh.”
Do any of those "witnesses" have firsthand knowledge Ford/Kavanaugh party or the Ramirez claim? If not, isn't their testimony worthless? The ol' my buddy heard from a guy whose roommate was there don't hunt.
The Democrats cried for the FBI to investigate the Ford claim. They did.
Now we have a new Supreme Court Justice.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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So ,STFU,really.
People will be hurt ,you could give a sh#t.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Yes ...It was a very thorough investigation taking only 3 days...LMAO...Imagine how much investigating Mueller could get done in 3 days...More laughter at Edwards expense...
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WBraun
climber
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It was a very thorough investigation!
They discovered he drank beer!
They ruled him fit for service since America is beer drinking country.
They named him the beerinator Judge.
America is now happy .... rolls eyes ...
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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“Do any of those "witnesses" have firsthand knowledge Ford/Kavanaugh party or the Ramirez claim? If not, isn't their testimony worthless?”
Hard to say for sure if you don’t interview them.....
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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You guys are cracking me up.
Can't tell if you're unwilling to recognize that there is no there there.
Or if you're just that f*#king stupid.
Ford Accusation - One person says it happened. Four say it didn't. No tangible evidence. Oh yeah... it was 36 years ago.
Ramirez - One person said it happened... but she was drunk. No other witnesses. 34 years ago.
No there... there.
LOL
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