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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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Feminism is trying to become more inclusive as the original need for it ceases to exist, and that's ok
Ceases to exist? When women make 75% of what a man makes, for doing the same work? When the majority of women endure harassment during their work lives? When women have to be twice as good as a man, to have any hope at competing for a promotion or for tenure?
Better crawl out from under your rock....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2017 - 09:16am PT
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So now feminism is still fundamentally about equal rights for men and women, but only about womens rights in sexual harassment cases.
So, continuing as the jerk you are, you refuse to post any links that support your assertion. Please post your links that show that feminists don't care about men's rights, particularly when they are the victims.
But the fact that 90%+ of such cases involve women as victims seems to mean to you that men and women deserve equal attention.
Like the guy who supports laws against sleeping under bridges, pointing out that it applies both to poor people and rich people.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2017 - 09:29am PT
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Representative Blake Farenthold, Republican of Texas, is under an Ethics Committee investigation regarding accusations that he had sexually harassed a former employee and “retaliated against her for complaining of discriminatory conduct.”
On Thursday, Mr. Farenthold rejected the idea of resigning and said that the news media had treated him unfairly. His behavior was the subject of an $84,000 settlement in taxpayer funds to settle a sexual harassment claim against him.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 16, 2017 - 03:48pm PT
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I think Callie is a very smart individual thinker. Good to you Callie for the recognition.
Warbler and Ken M. take a time out. The OP meant this to be a tribute for Callie. The two of you have twisted it. You both should be ashamed of yourselves.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 16, 2017 - 04:38pm PT
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He started it!
Ahh, but you fell into his game; you are better than that.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Dec 16, 2017 - 05:20pm PT
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Maybe this should be moved to a new thread.
edit: Kevin, when I was in college I made love with a wonderful girl. She was beaten to death a few months later by a rapist. I would give anything to go back and protect her.
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Dec 16, 2017 - 07:25pm PT
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Hey John, hope yer good and the holidays are enjoyable for you. I agree with you, this was meant as a compliment to Callie, who I know as a great person. This thread degraded to boys playing boy games...I dropped a while back as respect to Callie and not to contribute to pettiness. This junk should be on a seperate thread and if you have something complimentry to say, join in.
Peace
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 16, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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fartknockers
Anybody wishing to congratulate Cal-Crimpie should do so personally, not on the StuporTaco frooom!
Just a guess, but I'd venture that it would be more meaningful to her.
Aside:
johntp: My elementary through high school buddy was beaten to death, in a jail cell no-less. Do I wish I coulda been there? You bet.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2017 - 07:57pm PT
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Warbler and Ken M. take a time out. The OP meant this to be a tribute for Callie. The two of you have twisted it. You both should be ashamed of yourselves.
You do know that *I* am the original poster, right?
I think in response to what are clearly digs against her, I am entitled to respond to the drivel. The intent of Warbler was to diminish Callie in her professional calling, for which he has no credentials.
I suppose next he'll say that Ed H doesn't know anything about nuclear reactions.
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 16, 2017 - 08:23pm PT
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The intent of Warbler was to diminish Callie in her professional calling
Nope.
Kevin is just plain giving you his own personal life experiences and his opinions on this type of subject matter.
Some of you are just overreacting to it.
Life is variegatedness in all its qualities.
You should not fear the Warbler ......
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 16, 2017 - 09:25pm PT
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The pope said: "You shouldn't fall into the 'sins of communication:' disinformation, or giving just one side, calumny that is sensationalized, or defamation, looking for things that are old news and have been dealt with and bringing them to light today."
He called those actions a "grave sin that hurts the heart of the journalist and hurts others."
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Dec 16, 2017 - 09:42pm PT
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B. Rabbit: [rapping] ... Don't ever try to judge me dude / You don't know what the f*#k I've been through / But I know something about you / You went to Cranbrook - that's a private school / What's the matter, dog? / You're embarrassed? / This guy's a gangster? / His real name is Clarence / Now Clarence lives at home wit both parents / And Clarence parents have a real good marriage...
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Dec 17, 2017 - 01:32am PT
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So I need to be raped to understand rape Well, or you could be the rapist.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2017 - 12:15pm PT
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None of those sites support your claim
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 17, 2017 - 12:21pm PT
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This is the subject matter of Callie's book, this thread is about her book. A discussion about the subject matter seems appropriate, relevant and timely. I don't see that starting another thread is necessary
And Ken, your pomposity is over the top. My lack of credentials doesn't diminish my intelligence or my life's experiences, so back off on the personal insults, doc.
You may also have opinions, and I'm sure you do, about the right way to insert tampons. That doesn't make you an expert on the subject, and whatever opinion you might have almost certainly is better retained, as you listen to those who actually are experts and have to live with the consequences, which you do not.
There is a hierarchy of expertise, and you are WAY down the list.
You are basically making the argument that there is no such thing as professional expertise, whether it be anything scientific, medical, or otherwise. Obviously, personal experience paints our opinions, but do you think that you should be lecturing Bird or Largo on how to climb, based on your "expertise", or should you listen?
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Dec 17, 2017 - 04:15pm PT
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Hey Kevin, I appreciate, "with all due respect". The pettiness I refer to is tit for tat, micro defining, taking a thread recognizing someone for their work...good or bad....personal opinion and turning it into something totally different. I respect everyones opinions and we ALL should be entitled to that, but this has gone in a different direction. I've known you a long time and respect your opinion and ideals, not criticizing you for what you believe or have experienced, just saying hey to John and saying a few words.
I also have known Callie for a long time, she is very intelligent and like all of us has her opinion and views and I respect her to a high degree.
Take care man.
Peace
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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Dec 17, 2017 - 11:15pm PT
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Kingtut, your view is the epitome of identity politics. You are arguing that white males need to suffer more so there can be EQUALITY? This doesn't treat people as individuals, only as members of groups. An innocent man sent to prison is an injustice. A guilty man let free is an injustice. The path to justice is to judge each case objectively by the weight of the evidence; not to hand out more guilty verdicts to men until "the inequality is shared by all".
Try not to view this as a men vs women issue. No man wants his wife/mother/daughter/friend to be raped or sexually harassed. No woman wants her husband/father/son/friend to be sent to prison or fired from his job over false allegations. These injustices affect us all.
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Byran
climber
Half Dome Village
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Dec 18, 2017 - 05:45am PT
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Could you give an example or two of some changes you'd like to see made to our legal or social institutions? Because from your last couple posts it sounds like you're advocating that we just make it easier to charge and convict men for sex crimes so that men will "suffer equally" to women. And if this is in fact your position, then what specific changes need to be made to the legal process to ensure that juries hand out more "guilty" verdicts?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Dec 18, 2017 - 10:16am PT
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Not guilty does not equal innocence.
In the case of rape, or any other felony it does not automatically mean it was a false allegation.
It means the prosecution didn’t prove their case. In any “ not guilty” verdict, the accusations may have false or it did happen but couldn’t be proved beyond a reasonable doubt or preponderance of the evidence.
Depending on how the scales of justice tip, there will be aggrieved parties, and it can happen to either side. Not guilty is not a finding of innocence, and once that bell of accusation is rung, it cannot be unrung unless there is an honest recantment, and still some will believe what they want.
It’s pretty much the price we pay for living in a society where we have a lot more liberties than so many places in the world.
Susan
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