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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Remember Lance waited for Ullrich when he crashed. The leaders waited for Lance when he crashed in a tour.
I think it's ok to go. How come it was ok for everyone to ride off when Froome was running up the road last year?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Great finish.
In regards to waiting/not waiting, in the old days it was called racing.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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I covered the Tour in 2010 when Alberto Contador was accused of attacking when Andy Schleck dropped his chain on the Port de Bales. We were driving to our hotel that night when we passed the Team CSC hotel and lo and behold there was a mechanic out front working on Andy's bike(it was pretty easy to spot because it was yellow).
We pulled to stop, grabbed the video camera and ran over to talk to the mechanic. I asked him what had happened to Andy's bike. His response was that the bike shifted fine before the stage and shifted fine after the stage. Then he looked at me and said that I better talk to the team boss, Bjarne Riis, for an official statement. Heh, heh, heh. We had all we needed!
Clearly, Andy dropped his chain because of a shifting error. Contador shouldn't have had to wait because Schleck didn't know how to shift his bike.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Jul 10, 2017 - 07:57am PT
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Clearly, Andy dropped his chain because of a shifting error. Contador shouldn't have had to wait because Schleck didn't know how to shift his bike.
Uhh I think he knows how to shift his bike gear. He is riding the Tour de France. He has probably shifted gears many times Shifting a bike is super easy. Maybe it was just mechanical malfunction.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 10, 2017 - 08:10am PT
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enjo, Bruce knows of what he speaks about, in spades.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 10, 2017 - 08:43am PT
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Anyone can drop a chain if they try to downshift too fast at the wrong time.
I tend to think you wait if something happens that is beyond the riders control, like fan interference, moto's knocking riders over etc. Mechanicals and crashing are part of racing, so you don't wait.
I understand the 'beat the man at his strongest" mindset, but I think the unwritten "rules" need some revision.
I will probably get my membership in the Velominati revoked for saying this ;-)
Uran had a brave ride. Those are kind of things make the TdF such a great event.
Don't want to forget Dan Martin either. Wow
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TLP
climber
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Jul 10, 2017 - 10:57am PT
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Re stage 4, Demare committed a much more flagrant and dangerous line deviation than Sagan; he's the one that should have been DQed, if anyone. There's video of Sagan, just last year, making exactly the same tight against-the-barriers move as Cavendish and winning the stage, so there was room there, which he closed off in what looks to me as just racing. He definitely leaned over and took the space, but if that's a DQ, there would be at least a couple in any sprint finish. WB is right though, karma goes around then comes around.
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Jul 10, 2017 - 11:18am PT
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Bob Role said a cool thing about Richie Porte's crash: "Imagine jumping out of a car moving at 45mph in your underwear, wearing a styrofoam cup for a hat."
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 10, 2017 - 12:25pm PT
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Andy Schleck was running a non-conventional setup with his rear deraileur. He had substituted the normal pulleys which came with his SRAM Red deraileur with some oversized pulleys because someone supposedly did a test which showed that larger pulleys gave less rolling resistance. This made the already finicky shifting with SRAM Red even more problematic. You had to be very careful when you shifted to not drop the chain.
So, when Contador attacked and Schleck was in his small chainring, rather than shift up into the big chainring he decided to shift his rear deraileur to the smallest diameter in the cog in the back. This "small/small" combination is never recommended because of low chain tension and the chain came off. Andy should have known better. It was his fault.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 10, 2017 - 12:58pm PT
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dang, cross-chained it eh?! One of the first things I learned when I got a geared bike. Why he would even go that route considering the loss of leverage when hammering and if need be, a rear switch is hella easier when sprinting?
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2017 - 01:09pm PT
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Remember when Contador rode away from Schleck as he dropped his chain? Andy was pissed off. .
Sure do! Unfortunate as it was BUT Andy made an error in shifting. It was clear he was caught loading his small chainring. I've done it during a race, Sh*t happens. Now, if he had a DI2 shifter at the time, it might have been a different story. ;)
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 10, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
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Re stage 4, Demare committed a much more flagrant and dangerous line deviation than Sagan; he's the one that should have been DQed,
Well, karma is a bitch for that French tard.......he missed the cut off time yesterday. He even struggled in the groupetto!! BYE BYE!! :)
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 10, 2017 - 01:27pm PT
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The 2010 Tour was a strange one indeed! It turned out that in Paris, the time Andy Schleck lost when he dropped his chain on the Port de Bales(a great climb, BTW) was the difference and he came second to Alberto Contador.
I always enjoyed interviewing Andy. He gave such heartfelt and genuine answers. I talked to him in Paris about losing due to dropping his chain and he said was not going to dwell on it. He felt that maybe he should have tried to take more time out of Contador in the mountains then it wouldn't have made a difference.
In an interesting twist of fate, Contador was DQed due to Clenbuterol and Andy ended up wining the race after all!
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Jul 11, 2017 - 09:33pm PT
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FUc that, no more waiting for Chris.
Attack.
Attack.
Attack.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jul 11, 2017 - 11:03pm PT
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When Peter Sagan won one of his Tour stages in 2012 after he crossed the finish line he did a running impression which he called "Run Forrest, Run" from the movie Forest Gump. His Cannondale team came up with this video on that theme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHqpjawKk9w
I asked Peter to do a bit of a reprise of his finish line salute at the pre-season training camp.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jul 12, 2017 - 08:27am PT
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What 's up with Alberto Crash-a-dor?
Geez
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Jul 12, 2017 - 09:12am PT
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What 's up with Alberto Crash-a-dor?
Trek-Segafredo is making quite an impact at this Tour. Unfortunately, it's with the ground.
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mooch
Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 12, 2017 - 10:21am PT
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Curious if Peter will represent his country again for 2020 in Tokyo. Double flatting that race had to been frustrating. Wouldn't doubt he'd medal in cross country tricycle!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Jul 12, 2017 - 07:16pm PT
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OMG, Bodnar held them off till the end (almost.)
He sat up for a few seconds at 1.1 km to go and then said F-it!
He put his head down and gave another insane kick and was passed at 400-500 m to go.
Bummer dude.
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