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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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^^^
Agreed. I never understood why they invested so much money in storage (for more waste) rather than applying that money toward more efficient watering methods.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2017 - 02:34pm PT
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Flooding the fields is the typical way to water crops it is cheap and very wasteful. One reason Farmers won't switch to drip irrigation is because there is no financial incentive. There have started to be grant money available to use drip irrigation.
Yeah, that is huge. And needs more publicity!!!
As a recovering pot grower, I know that is the most efficient system. For nutrient delivery too!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Dang it Bluey, I tried my best not to post to political threads, I guess my best failed. I was born and raised in California. I live abroad for many years. Yeah I am a liberal and I had two glasses of wine prior to writing this, in vino veritas.
As far as I can see there is nothing wrong with California, though Jerry Brown is a bit of a disappointment.
So what do I know? Perhaps there is something in the wisdom (not that I am wise) of having the benefit of looking from the outside to the inside.
Do you really want liberal versus conservative? It is not that simple. Not in California, not in the US, not anywhere.
Our State, our country (the world?) is faced with a future of uncertainty (no sh#t Sherlock), but crying about it will not help. As for me, I am starting up Health Horizons to tackle dementia (yeah, dementia, the condition Escopeta made fun of), hoping my little bit can help - in California, in the US, in Ireland, in the World. I have no grand designs. I despise Trump, but perhaps he will surprise us, I doubt it, but one can hope.
"Your" California (were you born and raised in Cali like I was? Has your family been in America since 1640 like mine has?) is just fine considering, and as far as liberals are considered, suck it up we are out there and have goals perhaps you do not care about, humanity. No matter where we are in this world. I am an American, a Californian. I just do not happen to live there. Big deal. Sue me.
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Dang it, I know a lot of conservatives who also care about humanity. It is not a liberal or conservative matter. It is one of compassion, tolerance and understanding. We all know that deep down. I have yet to really see an ignoramus on this forum, though in my opinion there are some who come close. Just my opinion.
Bluey, you want to blame the liberals, such an easy cop out. I could just as well blame the alt-right for California's woes. But both views are so simplistic. You live in one of the most varied regions in the world, in many ways. You say it was a Red State prior to??? If you know history, California was never a Red State, and if you want to claim that, you are being disingenuous. Live in your world of delusion if you so wish. I have live and worked in five countries, I have chosen Ireland because of personal reasons.
But when I die, I wanted to be buried in sea off the coast of my beloved California. (I am also a sailor, I think the law is, for California, 12 miles off and then I can become fish food. As much as I love the Celtic Sea, 60 or so meters from my front door, I want the Pacific, it is where I grew up. Morbid, yeah, and my liberal spirit is coming for all you right wingers, hah hah. Wait, I am not dead yet, I still have a pulse.)
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And BTW, Castle Rock is almost slightly better than Mt Diablo sandstone (which I grew up on) but I never found it that great (travelling across the Bay, Yo Valley is almost as close in some ways), sort of like Harrison's Rocks in Tunbridge Wells south off London, overrated. Crap sandstone, overcrowded and...
Gosh I miss California, the rock (and a smattering of ice) is much better than (to say the least) here in Ireland. Bluey, I do not care what your politics are at the end of the day, we are climbers and the feel of rock on our hands is better than Donald feeling p*ssy (I couldn't resist). Best for 2017, regards and cheers, Patrick
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couchmaster
climber
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Bob D said: "We are going south to Mexico, somewhere within five hours of border, sell our house here in Taos by mid-2018."
Mexico. Whoa, goin under or over the wall? Regardless, may safe journeys, warm sun and fair wind breeze your along. Send some pics back of sunny Mexican routes will you?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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More dams would mean more water retention during wet periods. It's not a bad idea per se. It's why there has been talk of raising the Shasta lake dam for years.
True, to a limited extent. There already are a tremendous number of dams and the best sites have already been used. Raising Shasta would allow a little more storage during wet periods to use during drought. But it would literally be a drop in the bucket compared to the current total storage.
A large dam could be built at the proposed Auburn dam site. But it still wouldn't be a game changer. Maybe a few drops in the bucket. In addition to storage, it would improve flood protection for Sacramento.
Being able to move more water south during periods of high flows would make more sense than building additional dams in northern Cal. But you would have to have a peripheral canal (or tunnel) and increase the pumping capacity and canals. Even if you could figure the politics out, it would cost a lot. And you would have to increase the storage in the south to take full advantage of it.
Or you could grow a few less Almonds during droughts and not worry about it.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Or you could grow a few less Almonds during droughts and not worry about it.
They are drilling wells to irrigate new almond groves cuz it is their god given right to make money, the earth be damned.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It's not like we need anyone to expend precious water supplies to grow corn or wheat in california.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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We voted just last month to burden our water supply with another billion-dollar+ ag industry.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Don't need you to grow grass either - Oregon, Washington and BC have you covered.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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^^^ I don't think that is unreasonable.
As I posted elsewhere, I think IT happened due to emotional factors, and there is just no getting around the emotional reaction to this procedure happening in this circumstance.
I think there is a lot of that. I can't but think of the "Starbuckification" of coffee, the artistification of beer, the dragoning of parenting-----as if coffee, beer, and parents aren't good enough anymore. There is an elitism about it all, and a rejection of traditional things.
I think you are right.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
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Paddy ole boy, you're a resident foreign Californian. What?
You have the heart of Cali, despite yer Englander bloodline. Be well, my friend, and let me know when yer around. We'll have some fun!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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You have to remember the state of California doesn't own the water. At best we the people own some part of the conveyence like canals dams and such. But not the water in them... that water is already spoken for.
One of the first rules of California water law is that nobody owns the water, users own the right to use some of the water. Equating water rights with property rights and implying that imminent domain is required to reduce usage is absolutely not true. Since the inception of the public trust doctrine LA Water and Power has been cut back substantially, with no compensation, in the name of saving Mono Lake.
Allowing planting of new groves of avocados that are irrigated by drilled wells is insane.
https://www.kcet.org/redefine/whose-water-is-it-anyway-california-water-rights-explained
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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TGT2....Pablo looks like he's related to you...?
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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^^^Are you serious? Weed is already the most profitable cash crop in Cali earning more $$$ than the next five leading crops put together...
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/infographic-739746-marijuana-california.html
Hopefully legal ganja will eliminate many of the negative impacts that some covert growing operations are having on ecological & water resources in the Coast Range & Sierra foothills, especially the ones operated by the Mexican Drug Cartels.
http://weedrush.news21.com/growing-marijuana-industry-raises-environmental-concerns/
A recent study by researchers from the California Department of Fish and Wildlife found each of four watersheds in northern California – an area within the Emerald Triangle – supplies water to between 23,000 and 32,000 marijuana plants. These grows deplete each watershed by anywhere from 138,000 to 192,000 gallons per day. Researchers collected this data by accompanying law enforcement on search warrants and site inspections.
Use of excessive pesticide, herbicide and rodenticide — poison used to keep rodents away from plants — may have potentially lethal effects on wildlife.
Researchers have studied the impact of pesticides and rodenticides on wildlife, in particular the weasel-like fisher, in the Sierra National Forest along California’s eastern border.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Jan 10, 2017 - 07:52am PT
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Still true today...
My time coming, anyday, don't worry about me, no
Been so long I felt this way, I'm in no hurry, no
Rainbows and down that highway where ocean breezes blow
My time coming, voices saying they tell me where to go.
Don't worry about me, nah nah nah, don't worry about me, no
And I'm in no hurry, nah nah nah, I know where to go.
California, preaching on the burning shore
California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine.
My time coming, any day, don't worry about me, no
It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so
Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passin' slow
Still I know I lead the way, they tell me where I go.
Don't worry about me, no no no, don't worry about me, no
And I'm in no hurry, no no no, I know where to go.
California, a prophet on the burning shore
California, I'll be knocking on the golden door
Like an angel, standing in a shaft of light
Rising up to paradise, I know I'm gonna shine.
You've all been asleep, you would not believe me
Them voices tellin' me, you will soon receive me
Standin' on the beach, the sea will part before me
Fire wheel burning in the air!
You will follow me and we will ride to glory, way up, the middle of
The air!
And I'll call down thunder and speak the same and my work fills the
Sky with flame
And might and glory gonna be my name and men gonna light my way.
My time coming, any day, don't worry about me, no
It's gonna be just like they say, them voices tell me so
Seems so long I felt this way and time sure passin' slow
My time coming, any day, don't worry about me, no
Don't worry about me, no no no, don't worry about me, no
And I'm in no hurry, no no no, don't worry about me, no.
Chill...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Oaaauugh... good.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 10, 2017 - 08:42am PT
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sunset view from Mt Tamalpais...'nuff said
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 10, 2017 - 08:45am PT
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^^^ Cali viewed through gold colored glasses. Sure that wasn't Lac Leman from Leysin?
The real Cali...
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 10, 2017 - 09:34am PT
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^^^yup there is a tragic side to Cali...
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Caveman
climber
Cumberland Plateau
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Jan 10, 2017 - 10:27am PT
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"Weed is already the most profitable cash crop in Cali earning more $$$ than the next five leading crops put together..."
What happens when the monopoly goes away with legalization?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 10, 2017 - 10:44am PT
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The price should fall out
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