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Mark Force
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Ashland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2016 - 10:19am PT
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...like Luke Skywalker. Hey, don't you look like him too?
As far as a Star Wars archetype, Qui-Gon Jinn is the man!!
Here's my best emulation...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 15, 2016 - 10:20am PT
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I just like using libtard because I can feel good knowing y'all get a gud rush from it.
Stephen Bannon was quoted in 2004 as saying:
"I want to bring everything crashing down and destroy all of today's establishment."
Bannon was only speaking figuratively, Bernie's Army is already doing that, literally.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2016 - 10:22am PT
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Libtard actually kinda cracks me up. It also makes what follows sound silly.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Nov 15, 2016 - 10:26am PT
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Locker. When I see that name I know the content will be disappointingly low.
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Lollie
Social climber
I'm Lolli.
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Nov 15, 2016 - 10:30am PT
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So what is your answer? John, Sweden is a nice and sensible place, you know.
;-)
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 15, 2016 - 10:39am PT
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And yet some trump supporters claim that trump opponents should quietly acquiesce to this sh#t. In other words, they should know their place and be good little children.
Is that like when Obeezy made Rahm Emanuel his Chief of Staff? A person that arguably was as much crackpot left as Bannon is on the right?
Its funny how one person's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.
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SusanA
Sport climber
Bay Area
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Nov 15, 2016 - 10:46am PT
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Jody you didn't say any facts you just insult people. What church do you attend? Do they teach this behavior in your church?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Nov 15, 2016 - 10:49am PT
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I knew it intellectually before, but it somehow didn't really sink in for me in a visceral way until just now, how some people come here specifically to say negative things to others, to troll, to rile them up, as a stress relief. Sh!t rolls down hill, messing with a virtual person on the other end of a forum seems like a pretty safe way to unload.
But it's not without consequence. It does spread negativity and crap in the world, and for whatever little bit you are unloading, you are making someone else's day worse. Try to take responsibility to process the sh!t that flows your way and not spread it. That's what adults do as they develop more maturity and coping abilities.
I have no problems with friends who understand each other's limits giving each other sh!t when there is a deeper level of trust. That is a different thing. I have no problem with conflict, with bluntness and directness in the interest of developing a shared understanding and defending different perspectives. But spreading sh!t just because as a form of stress release is weakness.
It's the same weakness (albeit at a different scale of expression) that leads people to riot, destroy property, block freeways in protest. It is a misdirected expression of anxiety where attempts to relieve one's own suffering are deemed more important than the consequences for other people.
It's a sign of lacking mental capacity and imagination to see the world through another's eyes, or lacking empathy to care when one is made aware of it.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 15, 2016 - 10:55am PT
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I appreciate those who responded to my question of what, exactly, is "Trumpism." I still, however, have difficulty in determining what Trump's policies and performance, as opposed to the consensus definition of "Trumpism" given yesterday, might bring.
One of my favorite grad school profs, Thomas Sowell, sums up my own feelings this way:
"Donald Trump is a wild card. We don't know whether he was play-acting when he carried on like a juvenile lout or when he played the role of a mature adult. But he and the country could both benefit from some serious introspection on his part."
I would only add that I don't know if he was play-acting as a liberal Democrat or as a poplulist Republican (the latter should be an oxymoron). His only consistency has been on a issues that, to me, he has completely wrong: immigration and trade.
John
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:00am PT
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Of course tgt would cite Godwin's law.
You know what? He is actually supported by Nazis.
Is that offensive to you? Want me to sugarcoat that? He's an actual white supremacist.
Oh but we mustn't call racists on their sh#t.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:08am PT
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Yes, John. Bernie's a good guy, but too far out on a political limb.
I agree. A moderate, well-spoken governor might well have won.
I think the election result was primarily about change for the sake of change. Many Americans feel disenfranchised and disconnected from Washington and "more of the same" was simply unacceptable to them.
Bernie tapped into this same sense of discontent and need for change that Trump did and I think Sanders would have probably beaten Trump decisively. I don't think a moderate candidate on either side would have tapped into this same energy that propelled the Trump and Sanders campaigns.
Curt
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:17am PT
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I don't think a moderate candidate on either side would have tapped into this same energy that propelled the Trump and Sanders campaigns.
so if the trump administration is a failure, is that a failure of one person or of the masses?
if the trump administration fails, do people go back to electing a moderate?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:21am PT
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His only consistency has been on a issues that, to me, he has completely wrong: immigration and trade.
Indeed, however so has every single other elected official in the past, what? 50 years?
It is impossible to discuss the topic of immigration without addressing the attendant issues that contribute, or are impacted by our overall immigration policies.
If we remove the multitude of government welfare programs, assimilation blockers, and other ridiculous legislation and cultural "anchor baby" mentality then we will be left with immigration and immigrants that are here for the reasons consistent with the original intent of our country's foundation.
Its not like the US hasn't been denying some immigrant access since inception.
So if that is the stance the liberal left is taking, it might explain the rift that exposes itself through elections such as this most recent one.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:32am PT
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Jody, yer insult is that you dared to disagree!
OFF WITH YER HEAD!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:32am PT
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I have presented many facts...
You have never presented anything even remotely resembling a fact.
Curt
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:38am PT
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yes, I might toss a few too many "insults" towards people who are destroying my country
this is not a country of one, but a country of many.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:41am PT
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so if the trump administration is a failure, is that a failure of one person or of the masses?
I don't think it necessarily has to be one or the other.
Curt
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 15, 2016 - 11:42am PT
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right wing bigotry and hatred to be on display.
One KKK march does not equal the anti-Trump outbursts we've seen for at least the following reasons:
1. The KKK remains anathema to most all conservatives; A great number of those on the left, in contrast, support the rhetoric of hatred for Trump supporters and Trump;
2. The frequency and violence of the anti-Trump mobs exceeds that of any displayed right-wing bigotry or hatred by many orders of magnitude; and
3. By and large, the hate groups alleged to be right-wing (e.g. Nazis, KKK, etc.) face explicit condemnation by Republicans, conservatives, and the media. The anti-Trump crowd, as the "occupy" crowd, obtains sympathetic media coverage and explicit support from several Democrats and liberal figures.
Ultimately, I see these mainly as playing out the stages of grief. While a great many are still in the denial or anger stage, at least on Linked-In writer has made it to bargaining (writing an article how Trump's election could be good for women in business). I look forward to most of them making it to acceptance, so they can respond constructively. Nominal adults throwing temper tantrums don't help convince people to share their views.
John
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