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John M
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Mar 31, 2016 - 09:59am PT
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I apologize if you are not one of those who said to just ignore posts that you don't like. But I will also not shut up.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:12am PT
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The true definition of Christian is "One who Loves God"
I think most Christians would disagree with that definition.
Curt
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John M
climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:14am PT
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yep.. its that thread.
By the way Locker.. It took me just a few moments to find this post written by you. Just searched your posts using the word "ignore". Unless of course someone else posting as you made that post. ;-)
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1747712&msg=1750034#msg1750034
Never said not to suggest improvements...
Simply stated that IMO it's working FINE and needs no improvements (the Forum, not the site)...
EDITED:
"A nice filter and some different post display rankings would be very useful tools for many folks"...
A BANDAID!!!...
MIGHT do them better to deal with their INNER issues and why the fuk something as simple as an internet forum bothers them so...
It really is as easy as DON'T OPEN A THREAD that isn't interesting to you...
and if you open it and don't like what someone has posted...
MOVE ON!!!...
How fuking hard is that???...
But people STAY put and FOCUS on what bothers them...
They HYPER FOCUS and COMPLAIN and WHINE and CRY...
When all they have to do is just IGNORE it...
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:15am PT
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Lockers toast!!!
Caught dead in his very own hypocritical Bullsh!t ......
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:19am PT
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Let's all take a chill pill and keep this thread civil
I can't wait for all my questions to be answered
like what happened to Cosmic?
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:20am PT
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To stop all natural disasters would be like the parent who overprotects his/her child from the consequences of their actions. They end up spoiled as evidenced by some kids whose parents buy them out of every predicament that they put themselves into. Unless they learn from their mistakes, then many of them end up destroyed. John, you had me at 'It is what It is', but now your anthropomorphic bullshit material just got in the way.
The lesson is not taught by the teacher, it is learned.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:26am PT
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Problem there is they fuking flat out DON'T know...
Much like whether or not Trump's hair is real...
Curt
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John M
climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:27am PT
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Fair enough Locker.. I ain't really pissed at you.
What does Heaven look like and where exactly is it???...
Where is Hell???...
Does GOD really wear a white robe???...
Why do GODS representatives molest young children, and still get to go to HEAVEN???...
I have had a few visions of heaven. I wish that I had the ability to help you see what I have seen. I believe a campfire would be the better place to try and share that vision. After a great day outdoors.
Heaven is not exactly a place, but rather a state of Being. It exists all around us and even within us, but our own energy blocks us from experiencing it.
Hell is also all around us, and we experience it when we turn from God. We create Hell. God did not create it.
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as for those who molest children. They will not see heaven unless they repent and turn from those ways. And repentance isn't something you just do at the last second. It takes those million right decisions that the Buddha talked about. This is why understanding reincarnation is so important. I assure you that everyone including priests has to experience the karma that they create. Its just that its also possible to put off karma. But that is black magic and actually creates even more karma. No one escapes their karma.
Sorry Locker, but you did ask.. heh heh..
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John M
climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:30am PT
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Stevee.. its for the best as I never said "it is what it is". Thats what you chose to hear through you own judgments.
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:37am PT
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That's true. I was lazy and trying to refer to your "God is Love " statement earlier using my few words instead of you own. My apologies.
Anyway, I have some questions.
What is karma?
Does "God" judge?
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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Beliefs are passed on from generation to generation...
Sorry Locker. I'm hijacking your statement which spurred as thought...or question for John.
Can karma be passed onto your children?
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John M
climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:54am PT
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What is karma?
Does "God" judge?
last question that I will answer today.. for the most part. hahaha.. I don't want to fully hijack Daniel's thread.
Karma is the energy created by belief/action. So there is positive karma and negative karma, depending on what you hope to achieve. If you want to climb hard, but you sit on the sofa all day, then you will create karma that keeps you from achieving your goal. So get up off the sofa and stop posting to the taco.
Of course God judges. Its just that He/She judges righteously and not from the lower ego. The admonition to not judge, as found in the bible, goes on to say that as you judge, so shall you be judged. So of course one should judge, but make certain that they are judging righteously. Hopefully you choose your climbing partners wisely. That is a form of judgment. as in.. I will climb with that person, not because they are this are that skin color, but because they have safe habits and are reliable. I will not climb with that person, or at least not allow them to belay me because they are careless. That is judgment and is appropriate. But as I said, one must always be careful how one judges and from what state of mind that one judges.
Now.. because I hope to be able to do something other then sit on sofas all day. I will head to the gym.
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Mar 31, 2016 - 10:57am PT
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Does the Lord care if you spot a moron?
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 01:30pm PT
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Limpingcrab you say Jesus despised hypocrites then say that love and forgiveness were his biggest teachings. If the man did in fact exist, I think he was an example of what humans could be and despising anything would not have been apart of him. Good call, I meant to say hypocrisy, not hypocrites, and edited it.
One thing that I never understood was why God is referred to being a He. If anything I'd think it is an energy that is in everything and resembles nothing like a human or our emotions. If God is capable of love than he also can hate. I don't think energy can do either. I think it just originates from the word being used in the Bible. Because of that, that's what I use but I don't think it changes the message if a different word is used. When I was a kid I visited some missionaries that prayed to "Mother God" and my siblings and were really young and got totally confused. It was really funny at the time.
Daniel I don't see you as a good Christian, I see you as a great person and respect your faith that you feel is right. Namaste and sh#t. Thank you!
John M I appreciate all of your responses and it's not my place to try to argue, even if we disagree on some stuff (Romans 14:1-5). I believe Jesus and his love is the focal point and the rest is just details, which seems to be your view as well.
I feel if Jesus did exist today he wouldn't identify himself as a Christian, he'd most likely be a Taoist or Buddhist.
I believe he would think of himself as Jewish :)
How do you know God is Love? I believe that's what it says in 1st John 4:8.
What does Love have to do with anything?
I believe it's everything (Matthew 22:37-40)
Where Dinosaurs part of the Love story? do bacteria love?
I believe that Humans are unique in that we have eternal souls (Genesis 1:27)
Why do you keep posting total BULLSH!T and making false claims???... I believe Romans 10:14. I also believe I like to see posts with lots of bold and extra spaces ;)
What does Heaven look like and where exactly is it???... I believe it's really pretty, with walls and gates and roads and a river and a mountain (hopefully with good granite) and God will be there and we will be in his presence (Revelation). I also believe it's somewhere in the upward direction because Jesus ascended to it (Acts 1:9-12)
Where is Hell???... I don't know, it's referred to as a pit, downward, and also as the unseen. I believe it will be apart from God, and that's the sad part (2nd Thessalonians 1:9)
Does GOD really wear a white robe???...
I believe bright write usually symbolizes purity and when Jesus was shown to be God he was wearing white (Matthew 17:2), so maybe?
Why do GODS representatives molest young children, and still get to go to HEAVEN???... I believe humans are sinful (Romans 3:23) but that Jesus paid the price for our sins so that we can be forgiven (Romans 4:25). But in the end, God will judge (Romans 2:6).
Problem there is they fuking flat out DON'T know...
Not to get all philosophical, but I don't believe anyone can KNOW anything, but we can believe based on our experiences.
Does "God" judge? I believe he does (Isaiah 33:22)
Can karma be passed onto your children? I believe when parents do wrong it can affect their children, like being abusive or going to prison. Pretty much earthly consequences. I also believe God has blessed families because of the parents, but I do not believe that there are eternal consequences for anything other than what you do yourself (Ezekiel 18:20)
Does the Lord care if you spot a moron?
I don't believe he cares if we do, but I believe he give us some advice on dealing with them (or ourselves?) (Proverbs 26)
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Norton
Social climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
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Well
That about wraps it up!
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Shiho
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Mar 31, 2016 - 01:41pm PT
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Thanks for the replies, limpingcrab.
I would like to go back to the great prayer experiment that I mentioned earlier. So ok God doesn't want to be tested, I get it. But some people died because of the consequence, then? Those people who were prayed for and knew about it were selected randomly for the experiment. At the end, they had to pay the price even though it wasn't their idea to test God? Why the cruelty?
I think most of my friends will go to hell at this rate because they are agnostic/atheist. Do I get to hang out with them when I die?
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Norton
Social climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 02:03pm PT
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There is an old saying that seems quite applicable here.....
Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proofs.....
This dude abides and has great style and technique, his DNA is 98% same as ours
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Karen
Trad climber
Prescott, AZ ~ God's country!!!!
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Mar 31, 2016 - 02:08pm PT
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I was raised southern baptist and a deep indoctrination occurred in my psyche that has forever haunted me, I don't want to go to hell.
But there sure is a lot of Hell here on this planet. I wish I somehow could have the faith that I see other Christians seem to exude, they fully believe and appear to me to carry more peace.
I really do rebel against all the sinning the bible preaches, I carry enough shame around me as it is.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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I would like to go back to the great prayer experiment that I mentioned earlier. So ok God doesn't want to be tested, I get it. But some people died because of the consequence, then? Those people who were prayed for and knew about it were selected randomly for the experiment. At the end, they had to pay the price even though it wasn't their idea to test God? Why the cruelty? What, they did that with a terminal illness! That's messed up. I think you should ask the experimenters about the cruelty, they at least were told not to do this in the bible (Matthew 4:7). If the subjects knew they were part of the experiment, well, people die for making bad decisions all the time.
I think most of my friends will go to hell at this rate because they are agnostic/atheist. Do I get to hang out with them when I die? I have no sort of reason to believe this, other than the fact that hell will be a lot of suffering, but I think it will be a lonely place. Lonely but with people all around, if you know the feeling.
ag·nos·tic
/aɡˈnästik/
noun
noun: agnostic; plural noun: agnostics
1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena... I think my beliefs fall under the category of faith.
noun
noun: faith
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
"this restores one's faith in politicians"
synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction; More
optimism, hopefulness, hope
"he justified his boss's faith in him"
antonyms: mistrust
2.
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proofs.....
I'll turn the tables for a second because I have a question I always wonder about. Let's say, 2000 years ago, Jesus did everything that is written in the Bible and everything he said was true. What sort of proof would be acceptable? I won't pursue this tangent very far, but I am curious.
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Norton
Social climber
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Mar 31, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
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