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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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But I am of the opinion that the government must be resisted lest it will consume all liberty and that is not acceptable to me.
I think you and MB agree on this point. I think we all should...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nah. I have a special hatred for low-brow defamation, especially from an anonymous dick weed with El Cap up his a55.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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God given negative rights?
Hahaha... You sound like a real pit bull in small claims court.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Wall of text that nobody will read coming in 5...4...3...2...
No, just calling you out for the anonymous blow-hard that you are.
You made a claim. It's defamatory. Defend it or retract it.
Simple.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Hahaha...
You sound like a guy who is too ignorant to recognize how ignorant he is.
I'm taking Mark Twain's advice as soon as I settle up with El Cap up His A55: "Don't argue with stupid people. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
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MikeMc
Social climber
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It's not a party until this guy shows up...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Okay, so apparently El Cap up his A55 has punted. Typical cheap-shot, drive-by shooting "argumentation" that is too typical here.
I sent you a PM, El Cap up your A55. Since you're too cowardly to ante up here where you started the sh|t, we'll take it offline.
I've learned that it is NEVER good to just let defamation slide.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Back on topic:
The label of "Terrorism" gets put on all sorts of stuff and people we don't like. An Iraqi or Afghan shooting an invading US soldier is not a terrorist. He's possibly not even a bad guy.
US citizens using force or the threat of force to coerce the government, that's terrorism. We should deal with it the same way Bundy would insist we deal with a bunch of gun-toting koran-wielding citizens insisting that their imaginary god-given right to impose sharia-law was enshrined in the 1st amendment.
I hope the new AG does a better job than the last one. Holder's failure to prosecute after Bunkerville would lead a conspiracy-skeptic like me to believe there may have been a lot more going on than we know.
TE
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Sweet action, "madbolter" threats via email:
I'm not playing with this. You've made a defamatory claim,
twice, in a public forum. Either publicly retract it or
prepare to answer for it.
If the best you can do by way of "argument" is that sort of
cheap shot, then you should be ashamed of yourself. But
since you apparently have no normal sense of what is decent,
fortunately there are laws that draw lines around what you
can stupidly say with impunity.
Two thoughts:
1. Go f*#k yourself.
2. failed
fāld/
adjective
1.(of an undertaking or a relationship) not achieving its end or not lasting; unsuccessful.
Feel free to throw money into your lawyer's bank account though, I'm sure he's willing to accept it, while laughing at your bone-f*#kin stupid bluster.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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I feel for ya MB, fending off cowardly robotic wacks. But is it worth the effort?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feel free to throw money into your lawyer's bank account though
Nah, it worked out, as you've shown yourself for what you are. That's all I was shooting for.
Little pricks like you have turned this forum into a flat-out cesspool.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Among the most amusing threads! The Donald crowd has showed up. What would/will The Donald do? They'll be there "for years;" I'll bet it'll get a little weird out there by inauguration day next January!
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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As an argument, you don't get to retro, cherry pick which fegeral expendatures you don't support and then claim you should get a tax refund.
Under that logic, most people would not have approved of using federal tax dollars to steal all the best surfing and climbing areas from Mexico.
Without all that rock and ocean we'd all be members of the Nitro Circus right now, playing in dirt.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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I'm glad you only took a short vacation from ST, Will.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Well, the ranchers in question seem to be big fish. I've spent the last couple of hours reading, and listening to absolutely whacked out videos. Mainly from the Bundy sons.
The Hammond's attorney disavowed anything coming from the Bundy, etal camp. They have made this very clear. They want nothing to do with Bundy or the militias.
These aren't poor little ranchers. From what I could find, they own over ten thousand acres, and lease grazing rights for another 22,000 from the BLM.
I tend to agree that burning 140 acres of rangeland is no big deal, but the federal prosecutor took it that way and got a jury conviction.
Then there is the usual intrigue about problems between the Hammonds and the BLM. Apparently there is some history there.
As for the retards occupying the refuge headquarters, this is the second time that they have pulled this. Many of the characters were the main characters in the Bundy standoff. I have no sympathy for them. Cut the power, cut the phone lines, and let them come out crying when they run out of toilet paper.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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It's a nice looking building. I would hate to see it turned to rubble. The renovation alone will fall on to American Taxpayers to pay for after the occupation. Amazing that such a small, peanut-nobody group could cause such a stir....
I was out that way last summer; boy, talk about "Y'all Qaedaville!" Nary a state trooper anywhere for hundreds of miles. We were passed by a semi while we were going 75 in a 55!
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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As an argument, you don't get to retro, cherry pick which fegeral expendatures you don't support and then claim you should get a tax refund.
Under that logic, most people would not have approved of using federal tax dollars to steal all the best surfing and climbing areas from Mexico.
Without all that rock and ocean we'd all be members of the Nitro Circus right now, playing in dirt.
What?
What am I, little Delaware who bought in first to the Constitution, to Madbolter's New Hampshire which got to make its own terms?
Nuh-uh.
We apparently all get to choose which stuff to pay for. The Congress we elect to decide that and answers to us be damned. This is all a lot more fun than actually voting responsibly every two years. How boring.
There's a Federal Energy Regulatory Commission office here in town. I'm taking it over until they stop giving water to Eastern Washington and I get paid back for Hanford.
There's a nice pub next door.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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You made a claim. It's defamatory. Defend it or retract it.
Simple
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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So, it would seem the two accused are reporting for jail (again) willingly tomorrow. It would seem that should be the end of it.
Why not let the, albeit armed, men camp in Malheur for as long as they like and simply issue them citations mailed to their home addresses?
Armed confrontation sure seems stupid to me in this case.
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John M
climber
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I tend to agree that burning 140 acres of rangeland is no big deal, but the federal prosecutor took it that way and got a jury conviction.
the way the story reads it was a bit more then just setting fire to 140 acres. There was a burning ban at the time because of the dangers of the drought. The fire he set endangered some firefighters. There is another story that a possibly different fire he set was to cover up some poaching he did on federal land which they leased for cattle grazing.
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