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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Philo writes:
"The Campus in Oregon was not a gun free zone so you can take your hackneyed assumption and cram it up your O-ring."
It was for the students and the faculty.
Read it for yourself, straight from the Umpqua C.C. Student Handbook:
https://www.umpqua.edu/safety-security-information
"Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited."
Possession of firearms is prohibited at Umpqua, but it's not a gun free zone. OK Philo. If you think so.
What's your definition of a "gun free zone", Philo? It seems yours is different from the one the rest of us are going with.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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The campus had a policy of no guns but the state allowed for conceal carry.
It isn't cut and dry like Philo wants your o-ring to believe....
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/umpquagunfree.asp
Umpqua had a policy of no guns. It was essentially a gun free zone. Not even the lone security guard was allowed a gun....
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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In the imagined "gun-free zone," even the most inept miscreant with a gun is king.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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^^^^ Yeah, and "doing something" completely unrelated to the ACTUAL problem of keeping kids safe in "gun free" zones, like passing a pile of COMPLETELY unrelated legislation... yeah, that's gonna make 'em feel safer. Oh, and it'll WORK too. Because we SAID, dang it.
You can't have it both ways. Either do something that WILL work to keep 'em safe, or quit wringing your hands because you CAN'T get something done that won't keep 'em safe anyway.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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And by "WILL work" you refer to the gigantic leap to arming everybody? Nuts. WON''T work.
"Can't get something done"? Well, yes, with conservatives like you in control of congress...eating out of the hands of the gun lobby.
Nobody's coming for your guns. There will be no confiscation. Proposals mentioned are about increased background checks.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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you refer to the gigantic leap to arming everybody?
I was very clear in my proposal. Put a few reserve soldiers around campus. They don't have to roam all over. Just make it publicly clear to wannabe active shooters that if they try something, they will have seconds rather than many minutes before they will be facing a trained, well-armed response. Seconds count, and having military on site will ensure that as few seconds are expended as possible.
Look, either you WANT well-trained people actively protecting kids, or you want them to take their chances.
Background checks might have value for OTHER reasons, but that legislation will do nothing to protect kids in schools. Quit trying to connect such legislation up with incidents like school shootings, as though these incidents justify the legislation.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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We're a long ways from armed soldiers on our kids school grounds, thankfully. And to think when Archie Bunker suggested arming airline passengers everyone knew it was satire. Sad.
Why you ignore the obvious; the easy availability of guns, is really troubling.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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And to think when Archie Bunker suggested arming airline passengers everyone knew it was satire. Sad.
And yet, through no fault of our own, here we are. Sad indeed.
Why you ignore the obvious; the easy availability of guns, is really troubling.
Okay, so what do you want?
Let's say I could grant you immediate and fully-enforced universal background checks. Poof, there you go. You have it.
Now, WHEN the NEXT school shooting occurs, which it WILL, what NEW (and equally unrelated) law do you want to be passed?
WHAT does it take? That's what I want to know.
Gary demands confiscation, which is patently ridiculous. What do YOU want? What does it take to make YOU happy and in your world to make the kids safe?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Arm up bitch. No gunz were harmed in the making of this video.
I gave Allen a go once (he has a gym right over in Spring Valley), he whooped my ass.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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philo
climber
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Yea reserve soldiers never snap when their PTSD kicks in. What could go wrong?
And yet, through no fault of our own, here we are. Sad indeed. "Through no fault of our own" are you kidding me?
What an ignorant statement. We are who is to blame. We let this insanity get out of control. We voted for the slime who made it possible. We can real it back and bring back sanity. Even if it will make Ted Nugent and the other tough guys cry like little bitchy babies.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Never got a chance to try on The Big Cat for size.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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You owe me 6:10 The.
Gibberish.
I coulda been out training.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Simple question: What do you WANT?
WHAT makes you feel like the kids are safe? What law or slate of laws makes the kids safe?
You don't want trained soldiers. You don't want ANYBODY actually armed on-scene BEFORE the SHTF (even though EVERY federal politician, celebrity (including whining Jim Carrey), and public figure is surrounded by ON-SCENE armed guards).
So, WHAT is going to keep the kids safe? Give me your BEST scenario that does not include confiscating ALL guns (because that is not even remotely a real-world scenario).
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Pro tip:
If anything is ever promoted as "For the Children", it's a lie.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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How about a neutron bomb like weapon that would kill everybody within 2 feet of gunpowder residue.
Would not be utilized, obviously, without first warning everybody to turn in their ammunition, which even Scalia agrees there is no Second Amendment right to under the Constitution.
Psssst, the gun's not loaded.
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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Pro tip:
If anything is ever promoted as "For the Children", it's a lie.
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuup!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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