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10b4me
Social climber
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Jul 30, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
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Humans are the most dangerous animals on earth.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 30, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
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Propaganda works.... always has, always will.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 30, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
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I think Cragman needs to go to his local church and preach there...
Who's having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 30, 2015 - 05:41pm PT
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Bobby D. You're bigger than me but I'm sneaky....I think I can kick your butt. If you keep using actual numbers to support your arguments I'm going to have to administer an ass whupping!
Geez, I hate it when people use logic and facts....it just don't seem like the American way.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 30, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
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Funny Jim...I still think it would be a tie. :-)
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jul 30, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
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Selective outrage
is a mutha.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 30, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
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Demographic Disparities
**• Unintended pregnancy rates are highest among poor and low-income women, women aged 18–24, cohabiting women and minority women. [6]
• The rate of unintended pregnancy among poor women (those with incomes at or below the federal poverty level) in 2008 was 137 per 1,000 women aged 15–44, more than five times the rate among women at the highest income level (26 per 1,000). [6]
• Poor women’s high rate of unintended pregnancy results in their also having high rates of both abortions (52 per 1,000) and unplanned births (70 per 1,000). In 2008, poor women had an unintended birth rate nearly six times as high as that of higher-income women (at or above 200% of poverty.)[6,7]**
• In 2008, black women had the highest unintended pregnancy rate of any racial or ethnic groups. At 92 per 1,000 women aged 15–44, it was more than double that of non-Hispanic white women (38 per 1,000).[6]
• In 2008, women without a high school degree had the highest unintended pregnancy rate among all educational levels (101 per 1,000 women aged 15–44), and rates were lower for women with more years of education.[6]
• Some groups—including higher-income women, white women, college graduates and married women—are comparatively successful at timing and spacing their pregnancies. For example, higher-income white women experience unintended pregnancy at less than half the national rate (20 vs. 54 per 1,000).[6]
• The proportion of pregnancies that are unintended generally decreases as age increases. The highest unintended pregnancy rate in 2008 was among women aged 20–24 (104 per 1,000 women).[6]
• Traditional estimates understate the extent to which sexually active teens experience unintended pregnancies, because they typically include all women, whether or not they are sexually active. While most older women are sexually active, many teens are not. The unintended pregnancy rate among only those teens who are sexually active is more than twice the rate among all women.[10]
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overwatch
climber
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Jul 30, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
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misfits fan Anita? crazy ass song
holy thread shrink
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 30, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
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Thew really sad part is that Cragman votes against the people who actually wants to help the poor in this country. He also makes a joke out of a program (obamacare) that provides healthcare for the poor and their children in this country.
oh, I am sure Cragman has a perfectly logical explanation for this seeming hypocrisy
so let's hear it, Cragman?
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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Jul 30, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
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nita, thanks for posting that.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Jul 30, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
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Cragman, the fact that the bulk of Americans are not outraged at what your camp calls 'the murder of millions of babys a year' should tell you something.
Most of us dont think they are babies.
This comparison is idiotic and is not compatible with people who are not religious. Why insert it into the discussion?
The comparison is something for the pulpit. For those already convinced to regurgitate and get themselves worked up and collect more checks.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Jul 30, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
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nita, thanks for posting that.
+ 1
You're a good man, Cragman. I'm going to disagree with you about how abortion is relevant here. Have a great day.
+1
Same goes for the "20,000 baby" comments, not relevant to the topic.
Back to the OP:
Looks like our great Uncle wants to talk to a certain Dr. Palmer:
U.S. Government To Lion-Killing Dentist: Hey, Can You Give Us A Call?
[Oops, already posted by Bob D'A...]
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 30, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
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DMT wrote: And yes, you're a good man.
If you say so. All good men dangle the carrot of eternal life to young kids if you believe as they do.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jul 30, 2015 - 07:34pm PT
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Dingus said: "Touch sh#t. I didn't like your tone so don't pretend you're elevating jack sh#t. Your 1 lion vs 20,000 people is an adult conversation? Maybe on Geraldo it is...DMT "
Touch? What? Elevating? Hey, "tough" sh#t to the over 20,000 people brutally murdered (which is only a small part of the atrocities Mugabe has perpetrated). It may not mean sh#t to you but it does to me, so we clearly disagree on that. Perhaps you might speak to Mugabe having a lion, 2 elephants and a bunch of the other wild animals slaughtered to make his birthday picnic special and unique? For myself, I'd say "Nosh away". You don't seem to care about that either for some odd reason though. Maybe some lions are more worthy than others. Perhaps the ones Mugabe ate needed names. How about fluffy and stuffy? There. They have names now. Bring on the butt-hurt and hate about Fluffy and Stuffy. Try and be consistent.
Craig added: "Ok so you agree the killing of this lion was a low life creep of a thing to do?"
I don't. Furthermore, I don't give a sh#t. It's a friggan Lion Dingus, it isn't one of your children, no need to be so yoinked up about it. It's just an animal. They get lined up and slaughtered all over the world by the millions daily. Chickens, Pigs, cows, sheep, goats, Guinna Pigs, Bunnies -etc etc on and on, including Lions. "The blood and the guts they gonna make you swoon". Go work for a day in a slaughterhouse. A single day. Then we can talk about Fluffy and Stuffy ......and if they had been cooked good enough or had enough marinade. I suspect that more people were shot in the the head today in Syria than Lions killed worldwide I have no doubt. A horrible tragedy that screws up our world. Not a peep about that?
For the record, I'm a Roe vs Wade supreme court agreement person as well. I don't give a crap about nor do I agree with the anti-abortion views of folks like Cragman. I don't see a comparison. The supreme court, Cragman, determined in 1969 that if there wasn't a heart, a brain, fingers etc etc, and the other things which we consider to be human, then it wasn't a human being. What that is - is the potential to be human. Much like my sperm, which so many of us dudes so freely toss around. My sperm is not life, but it's clearly alive and living. My sperm has the potential to be life. But it isn't life. The Catholic Church has determined that spraying your seed around (masturbating) is a sin. They say it's "life". It's not "life", (although it too is living) it's the potential for life. I don't agree with them about that and I don't agree with you about abortion. A fetus (as noted by the court, you can parse the decision further by looking it up) isn't a human being. So I'd value the Lion higher than a fetus and they are magnificent creatures.
20,000 adults murdered. That was life. Lots of it.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Jul 30, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
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What that dentist did is inexcusable, but what most of us do is far worse, if we eat meat from large scale operations. It's time for us to re-evaluate our priorities, as per humane treatment.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Jul 30, 2015 - 07:47pm PT
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Simple question that would tie Cragman's random rant to this thread:
There is an over-population of endangered lions like there is humans, right?
Oh, wait - they are just animals, and not worthy of the same attention as the more "advanced" species - namely humans in your mind.
Two to the ass and one to the head, right?
Cragman always finds justification for staging his platforms, however inappropriate.
You are the poster boy for egocentric Christians - your good deeds are poisoned by your selfish egocentrism.
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