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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jun 26, 2015 - 10:54pm PT
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knew world odor too
is so confident
in its claims,
it must remain
anonymous.
Bold.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 27, 2015 - 04:58am PT
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Jun 27, 2015 - 06:30am PT
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^^^^Love it!^^^^^^
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jun 27, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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↑↑↑↑↑ That's a great image there.
Do you disagree with the situation where a single vote in the House is sufficient to pass a bill and create a new law?
Do you disagree with the situation where a single judge is able to issue decisions about what is admissible in court, or even to issue decisions on an issue.
I hear your complaint, but give us a scenario in which it would be different or better?
To the first, no problem. The bill still has to get through the Senate and signed or vetoed by the President. The Congress can then override a veto with enough votes. Checks and balances.
To the second, no problem. Lower court decisions are subject to appeal.
Okay so I'm whipping a dead horse. But when a one vote decision can fundamentally change things it just seems out of balance. Six to three? Odds are pretty good they got it right. Five to four? Who knows.
Anyway I see in the news that George Takei was overjoyed to the point of tears by this decision. I worked with him for a couple of days back around 1990. He's a really nice guy. And bold to come out when he did. I am happy for him.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 27, 2015 - 11:33am PT
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So should the SCOTUS be comprised of 11 Justices? Or 15? Or 95?
What if there were 37 of them...and this latest decision was an 19-18 split? Wouldn't the upshot be the same, in regards to the new law, and your frustrations around how only one vote can have such a pivotal influence? (Just using this latest decision as a straw dog...not suggesting you were opposed to it.)
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 27, 2015 - 11:45am PT
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There will always be close votes deciding major issues.
51-49 votes in the senate.
218-217 vote in the house.
537 presidental votes in Florida in 2000.
It is disconcerting and a bit random. With results this close, if you hold elections on different days you will likely have different outcomes.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jun 27, 2015 - 11:58am PT
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Postulate all you want.
This issue, gay marriage, being a "moral issue" with most, I am reminded of FDR's remark when Prohibition was ended.
Upon signing the Cullen–Harrison Act, Roosevelt made his famous remark: "I think this would be a good time for a beer."--Wikipedia
I say let's have a barbecue, too.
Rainbows, stars, and stripes abound.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 27, 2015 - 12:10pm PT
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Well, if bookworm is against it, it must be good for America.
That's good enough rationale for me.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jun 27, 2015 - 12:15pm PT
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People evolve. You should give it a try, book.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 27, 2015 - 12:35pm PT
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Booky...tap 3 times if you wanna sesh...
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 27, 2015 - 01:48pm PT
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Booky stated:
"changing america for the better"
that's right Ms Righty Tighty
and not to mention your worst fear, as you stated earlier:
"people having sex with other people"
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L
climber
California dreamin' on the farside of the world..
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Jun 27, 2015 - 02:01pm PT
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Yipeeeee!
The Universe applauds our graduation up into Consciousness.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 27, 2015 - 02:48pm PT
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The Universe applauds our graduation up into Consciousness.
The universe may be applauding, but much of the population of the planet we live on is not.
Same-sex marriage is legal in what? A dozen countries? Fifteen? And in much of the world not only is same-sex marriage illegal, so is homosexuality. The Supreme Court decision may seem momentous for many Americans, but being gay is a capital crime in some places, illegal in many, and a target for persecution in most.
Even in the US, the road to the end of persecution of, and discrimination against gays is going to be long and arduous. Slavery was outlawed in the US in 1865, but even though we are just months away from the 150th anniversary of the ratification of the 13th amendment, true racial equality still eludes us.
So yes, we should all be raising a toast this weekend to a huge step forward, but we should remember, as we do, that it is just a step, not the completion of a journey.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 27, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
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I heard some interesting statistics yesterday that may foretell the future of GOP politics...only about 35% of Republicans approve of gay marriage, but the great majority of that 35% are of the 'millenial' age group, which will be moving into positions of leadership in the coming years.
Change is coming, even to the GOP. That change will also be incremental, and will occur mostly due to the old guard simply dying off.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 27, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
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Apogee, I have a different interpretation of the GOP statistic:
The next generation will not be able to penetrate leadership, because they will not be able to pass the "litmus test". They do NOT have a big tent.
They thought they were going to open up on immigration....look what happened.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:06pm PT
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The universe may be applauding, but much of the population of the planet we live on is not.
The universe is applauding. Really?? Putting religion aside for a minute. Do you really think the universe is happy we're acknowledging homosexualality. If we've learned anything about the universe and from evolution we KNOW our #1 purpose is to procreate. And when we hear from a Man and Woman who have bared children about their greatest success and to what brings their greatest joy they all point to their children. So shouldn't we also want our homosexual brethren to understand this joy and success also? Science has shown our brethren to have a different morphed genetic makeup. Which has led to a equal acceptance in legal opportunity. So maybe we should lean on science a little more for a cure of this genetic malfunction which inhibits less than 5% of our species. It could be a glorious day when ALL of mankind can experience the Truely magnificent opportunity Nature has given us in seeing our genes passed along. And the admirable responsibility of nurturing our inherent genealogy into a heightened awareness.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:19pm PT
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The universe? Let's see, there are an estimated 100,000,000 planets that may support some kind of life. There are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe each with millions upon millions of stars.
Anyone here ever consider those numbers and think about our posistion in the overall scheme of things?
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jstan
climber
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:27pm PT
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shouldn't we also want our homosexual brethren to understand this joy and success also?
We all are free to want what we want. The supreme court decision says our wanting to prevent some people from having the freedoms possessed by others shall not be given the force of law.
Is it so hard to accept the idea your neighbor does not want your wants as to how he may live, to take priority over his wants as to how he may live?
Trade places with him Blu. Is that so hard?
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jun 27, 2015 - 10:35pm PT
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Keep typing blu,
as we need relics
to show us how
it used to be.
Your god lost.
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