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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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^^^ What David said.
It should also be noted that OT threads are not being frozen per se. OT threads that turn into personal attack fests will be frozen. I take that to mean OT threads are as welcome as ever as long as civility reigns. I'm OK with that.
Keith Guillory
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Hey Chris McNamara,
I am actually kind of pissed off at you. Are you going to deal with our concerns this time, or not?
The last thread like this you started is here:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2545338&tn=0&mr=0
This is the thread where you asked, "When does OT become so far off that it doesn't belong?"
You made a single post asking the question, and there were 379 replies, many of them extremely constructive, and many of them requiring considerable thought. A lot of us spent a lot of time offering suggestions as to how you could improve your forum.
How did you respond, Chris Mac? Did you weigh in with your analysis? Did you let us know what you thought, the pros and cons concerning our various ideas? Did you implement or even consider a single change based on our suggestions?
Did you even bother to thank us?
So how DID you respond, Chris Mac?
Answer: You didn't! WHY NOT?
Your credibility is at stake here, Chris. You really need to respond to this post, and I mean actively, consistently and constructively. Otherwise you are basically a fart in a windstorm.
I intend to hold you accountable for answers. And I hope the people who wrote the 193 posts before your first one and this one I just wrote will also hold you accountable.
Please do not ignore our concerns a second time. It smacks of ingratitude.
Peter Zabrok,
Ontario, Canada
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Hey Chris McNamara,
I am actually kind of pissed off at you. Are you going to deal with our concerns this time, or not?
This place just reeks of self-importance.
you are basically a fart in a windstorm.
Glass houses, broheim.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Per up-thread posts about remaining anonymous on ST, my thoughts mostly echo what Ghost has to say on the subject:
Our real names aren't secret, and we're well enough known by too many people to ever feel that we can act like as#@&%es on ST without it coming back to bite us.
But yes, people who hide behind anonymous avatars so that they don't have to take responsibility for what they say online are despicable cowards .
On a personal level: I do have a desire to make it somewhat harder for the rest of the internet universe to track me down.
And so far as the anonymous its: like High Fructose Corn Spirit & bookworm that apparently have no real life, no ST friends, and never attend a ST event.
I still think they are Republican computer programs.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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I didn't read Chris M's initial (and thus far only) post on this thread as asking for our opinion. It was announcing a policy. While I may not like it, the reasoning behind it should be obvious, given the repeated complaints from the (usually repeating) complainers. They don't want to read through threads that seem to be populated by precocious toddlers. Precocious because they can write. Toddlers because their writing amounts to little more than infantile whining.
And the complainers don't want to bother with Greasemonkey, or actually scroll down past the first page.
Johannes Brahms is said to have left a party in Vienna once saying "If there is anyone here I have not insulted, I apologize." Have I offended everyone yet? Actually, I hope not. Too many whose opinions I value, and whose comments I always read, have left, either quietly or in a huff. Perhaps the new rules might cause them to peek in and stay for a while.
John
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sac
Trad climber
Sun Coast B.C.
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PTPP... you need to like, chill.
Gettin' all Hostile n' sh#t.
Dude.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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So how many posts until this thread gets frozen? 225?
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Fish Finder
climber
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PTPP
quit being such a BABY HUEY
and take the pacifier outta your ass
and put it in your mouth and STFU
Nobody is accountable to yourself except yourself
You dribbling on about how CMAC owes you something is embarrassing
and certainly dont speak for me as one of the posters to this thread
Seriously dude WTFDYTYA
get over your Canadian rhetoric BITCH
Edit:
CMAC owns this place have some respect
he can create the pool and fill it with water and walk away
he doesnt have to sit around and piss in it with everybody else
Do you think he would hang with you in real life?
He sure the hell doesnt have to hang with you here
your tact is not getting you anywhere
but keep being the big man like someone owes you something and your pissed
ruffle those feathers bro Im sure your lady loves it
In America we call it being a COCK
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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This thread needs more...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Foresooth It would take a mighty herring indeed, to cut down that tallest of shrubberies in the land!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Make this site inviting not combative
This world famous rock climbing site must have been audited by google..
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Bowline or Figure-8?
That is the question.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Lezarian...I know Brahmns and you're no Johannes...! Sorry for the precoscious whining...rj
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Dings can I find you on youtube?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Bob lowering dumbing down?
Bob who are bottom feeders?
Gotta think that this site could grow pretty good with audience participation..
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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well, i've been staying away from this miserable forum for a couple of years, the reason being what chrismac seems to be trying to address here, but i would agree with others who don't think this is quite the right way of going about it.
chris occasionally bans people from supertopo. i would agree with most of his exclusions, disagree with a few others. he could solve this problem by banning the right people, and the big criterion ought to be climbing credentials. there are two kinds of people on here, climbers and obvious nonclimbers and it doesn't take long for climbers to figure out who's who. nonclimbers should be welcome, until they become disruptive. then the leash ought to be a lot shorter than for the climbers. i think it's that simple.
i would add, per chris's original post: "political" and "personal" are two different things. "political" is a pretty broad word, and excluding everything political and asking people not to start new political threads? that would really change things drastically here. personal is another story. when the mudslinging starts to get vicious, disruptive, or even libelous (those lawsuits will be coming to the internet some day), that's the time to think about shortening the leash.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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So it's okay for Real Climbers to be disruptive?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"Don't like it, check the f*#k out."
+1 & a whole bunch more
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