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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 07:32am PT
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Do you want to win an argument with a Republican??
Simple: Show him he is losing $$$ and by making a change he would have more $$$....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Just making sense is not enough as they do not look at cents, only $$$.
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WBraun
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Dec 24, 2014 - 07:34am PT
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Yes .... Americans worship the dollar ....
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 07:40am PT
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DMT,
okay Republicans are not the only ones that cannot change. I support your counter example.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 08:05am PT
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Bruce,
show 'em how they save $$$ and they too will change. They lack curiosity for making such a change? Not the correct observation, Bruce.
Republicans are not without curiosity. They do have a curiosity as to how they could make more $$.
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John M
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Dec 24, 2014 - 08:21am PT
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show 'em how they save $$$ and they too will change
way too simplistic…
you could eat rice and beans with a few veggies for the rest of your life and be healthier and its cheaper.. but how many people would do that.
you could drive an economy car instead of a pickup truck and save money.. but ask a Texas republican to give up his truck.. Or Montanan.. not happening.
Your argument that Ed is wasting his time is also too simplistic. Ed isn't strongly invested in saving the world. He is more strongly invested in understanding the science. Arguing a point is one way to try and better understand that point.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 08:25am PT
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the answer Republicans need for modifying their behavior towards global warming is a demonstration that if they don't change, holding on to the staus quo is going to cost 'em $$$. And on 2nd though this will not work.
Since they mostly do short term thinking, the rate of interference by global warming is not much of a consideration as they don't feel any urgent threats caused by its progress.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 08:45am PT
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DMT,
This demonstration has yet to be delivered the problem here is that this demonstration is sort of a circular argument in that we can argue that if they fail to notice, then the current demonstration was not yet the demonstration to be delivered.
your point is sort like what some Christians say, "when enough destruction has happened they will then believe in God."
Otherwise your point well taken.
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rick sumner
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reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Dec 24, 2014 - 08:58am PT
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Why? Perhaps we have grown insensitive to the cry of the wolves. Perhaps we are paying attention to the often stated agendas of which this is part of. Perhaps we don't want to return to the stoneage and our reduced numbers living underground like weasels or Bruce Kay.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 08:59am PT
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Bruce,
Hurricanes can be seen and we have some history on these and now we have folk tales to transmit the gory details.
Not so with Global Warming.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 09:10am PT
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rick sumner,
you will never be living underground like a weasel. You will be dead too soon to note much change.
And are you saying that global warming will make humans live underground like weasels?
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Dec 24, 2014 - 09:14am PT
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kev,
the point of my post is that if you are offered a grant without solicitation, someone else other than you felt you knew something about the topic unless they are desperate to get someone as it sounds you are in this case -- Desperate to prove what non sense of a handle you can get on me.
You have added the word expert. I made no such claim other than possibly the implied point that this offer to Jim Brennan's polite request may be construed to mean I understand the climatology, physics and the math of the topic of global warming.
I feel some "untrained" people are capable of making a good arguments and sound observations hence I do not need to know their background to give them consideration.
Well I wouldn't have used the word expert if you hadn't started spraying about grant $ and expertise stating
In 1970 Dr. Ralph Hunsinger offered me a research grant to make a one dimensional cloud model at Atmospheric Science SDSM&T. I decided to figure out how rocks break instead.
I could care less about who your prof was at school. In the future, if you're actually going to name drop, it works better with someone who is very well know in the field your name dropping in.
Why don't you actually talk about the 1-D model that someone was hot to give you grant $ for that you didn't take instead? I'm tired of your attention whoredness - Why don't you show me some actual scientific acumen (and by that I mean something with some actual math)that's not lacking in originality or STFU about your climate non expertise.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 09:20am PT
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sully,
I appreciate you try but ....Just more text. You need to add a little thinking.
the clue lies in ," how skilled so ever. Any good literature requires some additional interpretation to understand the fine details.
We know the bedroom was made from a hollowed out tree. How could a bed that is contained within a tree be too heavy to lift?
A skilled person [Odysseus]] could carve the bed within the tree such that the central portion of the bed remained attached to the tree. What mortal could lift such bed? Not even Odysseus could and he knew it. Only a god could move it.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 09:31am PT
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kev,
how skilled. another broken record that just keeps playing the same notes and can not move on.
I don't owe you anything -- even the time of day.
Why should a guy that can work exercises out the book Gravitation offer you an evidence as to his understanding of differential geometry?
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John M
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Dec 24, 2014 - 09:31am PT
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anybody can spot that distinction and anybody can sense that no one would wait to see "proof" before acting..
theres the rub.. you say no one would wait, but in reality many would. How many people every year have to have a heart attack before they change their ways. They know that they have high cholesterol, they know that they don't exercise regularly enough. They know that their diet is poor, yet they do little to nothing until they finally have a heart attack.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 09:45am PT
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John m,
you have posted cases of when people are given the data and they do not move. You are arguing the negative case to disprove that any positive possibilities could exit. INVALID
Singing the right tune can move an individual. What is the data that will move people on global warming? Is there any? You tell me?
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WBraun
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Dec 24, 2014 - 09:48am PT
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Dingus McGee -- "Singing the right tune can move an individual."
Yes ...
But Bruce Kay over sings .....
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John M
climber
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Dec 24, 2014 - 09:55am PT
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I don't believe that their is a tune that people would listen to about global warming.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 24, 2014 - 10:04am PT
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actually my post on the Odyssey came from the recollection of just reading it... not from a web search....
but if you want to continue to make your point, which I guess is that my thinking is of the "shallow kind" then you can make up anything you want.
This contributes to your own narrative of someone who is intelligent, has learned on their own, and relishes living on the outskirts of the "learned society." In particular, you love to poke pins into what you perceive to be inflated egos. And in so doing, you derive more self satisfaction than you would in some collaborative effort to explore an idea. You don't need, nor can you tolerate collaboration.
Anyway, since I appear to be a foil for your current schtick, and an attractant to your thread (having used my name in the OP title to draw attention to your current conversation) I will follow your apparent desire to cease posting up my shallow thoughts on your threads.
I have no doubt that you will continue to be a "critic" pointing out the deficiencies in my arguments and ideas. Thanks for that, it is an important component of working through ideas... and I apologize in advance if better ideas coming from such discussions fail to acknowledge your (future) important contributions to them...
You should still go back and re-read The Odyssey, you might see it differently after hearing many others' interpretations of what you apparently have concluded is your own best reading of it. I've made it a habit of re-reading many of these classic stories throughout my life, as it is amazing how one's perspective changes with the acquisition of more experience. But that's just me.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 10:05am PT
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W braun,
Bruce is challenging the other Dingus not Dingus McGee.
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Dingus McGee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2014 - 10:09am PT
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Ed,
the view of Odyssey that I tell here is from a critique of it that came from a course by the Teaching Company.
I will follow your apparent desire to cease posting up my shallow thoughts on your threads.
Good! Does that mean a little more thought will happen instead of posting just another big web-article of little relevance?
Anyway thanks for the gift of participation -- you are a worthy player for argumentation.
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