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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 06:49am PT
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A woman could name a route absolutely any man degrading thing she wanted to, and I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest.
And if it was funny I would probably like the name.
Again Both Locker and I thought this was a troll. That's how wacky this whole touchy fuking feely thread is. I still don't (and never will so don't bother trying anymore) understand why some people have their panties in a bunch about route names. Sh#t happens - move on and get over it.
So if a girl names a route "bitchy oozing fisting" (or b.o.f. for short) that's okay but if I do it's not? Or is that bad too because we all must follow the PC police?
And more importantly - WHO THE FUK CARES?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 20, 2014 - 06:52am PT
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+1 kev.
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 07:48am PT
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+1 kevin
Also I think we can scratch the argument "what about the wives." Someone attempted to suggest that 'adult' route names cause sexual harassment - wow... By that logic doesn't it follow that the guy who put up "Osama Been Leading" is causing terrorism?
Wouldn't it be better if we focused our energies on access issues rather than route names...
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 07:55am PT
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DMT - i'm talking about all the complaining here about route names (those that already exist and those yet to be determined). Better to be concerned about access than route names.
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:04am PT
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Spider tries a friendly "Hey guys, what's up with naming routes silly sexist bs? Come on, we can do better than that!" And he gets ravaged for it.
Some people are so threatened when someone's trying to be less of an as#@&%e than they are..
No one has even mentioned changing existing names, censorship etc. except the scared shitless haters.
I don't wanna hide the truth from my children, that's why I live in a multi cultural part of the city and not in one of the false bubbles of wealthy and educated neighborhoods. But if I did, it wouldn't be for the sake of their purity, as someone suggested, it would be for their sanity. This world is fubar.
Edit,
I did not say the naming of routes causes sexual harassment, I said accepting attitudes concerning sexism plays a part.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:07am PT
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"the air of superiority reeks in this thread."
Is that what this subject says to you?
I don't get that at all. Weird.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:30am PT
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Its just me, a father of daughters, trying to shift his perspective just a tiny bit.
Me too for sure. That may be the most insightful thing you've said here in a long time!
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Nov 20, 2014 - 08:38am PT
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DMT,
Given my background I've tend to use "one" instead of he/she/him/her (unless it is a gender specific thing). I've never understood why "one" is used so sparingly except possibly for the slight awkwardness it can create as it forces the writing to be a tad more formal. I sense no Jihad from you on this (or most things..)
Wally,
you just said
I did not say the naming of routes causes sexual harassment, I said accepting attitudes concerning sexism plays a part.
actually that's not all that accurate - look at your words. You said a lot more than that and now your downplaying your actual words.
One incident of sexual harassment is the tip of the iceberg, what's visible above the water line. The rest of the iceberg is also part of the incident, just not as obvious. It's what's leading up to the incident, like naming a route some sexist crap, for instance.Accepting attitudes plays a part..
And as far as haters go look at your own words - not the words of tolerance.
No one has even mentioned changing existing names, censorship etc. except the scared shitless haters.
Some people are so threatened when someone's trying to be less of an as#@&%e than they are..
If you think the issue is about a few route names that are offensive, that just goes to show how ignorant you are.
Morons!
And you guys are d#@&%ebags for hating on him.
So you've called me and others d#@&%ebags, as#@&%es, scared shitless haters, ignorant, and morons.
What kinda response do you think you're going to get after your word choice? So you're either trying to troll us our well you're just and angry bitch (if you're a chic) or angry dick (with a little dick at that) if you are in fact a dude.
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Crump
Social climber
Lakewood, CO
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Nov 20, 2014 - 09:40am PT
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We went a couple of rounds with Texas Parks and Wildlife over names at Enchanted Rock back in the 80s. It was really lame. They took offense at a route called Becky's Crack which was named for Fred, and another route called Eat. We never understood what was dirty about the name Eat??? On their flyer they changed the route name from Eat to Fat.
Some of the best route names relate to an historical event like when 2 lesbians were spotted having hot girl-girl in the Lesbian Love Grotto at Hueco Tanks. Inspired names like Tongue in Groove and Thumbing the Dike...
One of the worst name all time was one done in the Barton Creek Greenbelt in Austin... Pussy Puss...
Did a route back when I was 17 and loved it so much that I named it for my two favorite things, Titties and Beer!!!
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 20, 2014 - 09:51am PT
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Offense is always in the eyes of the offended. It's a choice. This is all about the sensibilities, guilt, and shame of a few parents, really. It always is.
By the time a kid would be interested in picking up a cragging guide, none of this matters anymore. They're already well familiar with a world far more explicit than anything a climber could come up with. Welcome to the new sex positive.
The kids are alright. Protective parenting more often than not fails in its impossible objective. It also runs the risk of damaging the relationship - and thus minimizing the influence the parent is attempting to exert.
Want healthy kids? Nurture a sense of humor and an easy going nature that is not easily offended - by anything. If something comes up, encourage open discussion - of anything. They'll take the cue and, in turn, discuss things openly with their peers - and have a better chance of making healthier choices.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:10am PT
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Just purchased 50 butt splice connectors. Instructions say to insert and crimp with tool. Crass?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:21am PT
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zzzzzzzzzzzz
(not to you, WTF)
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:25am PT
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"Unskilled Cunnilinguist", please.
Perish the thought that our delicate mothers, sisters, and daughters should have their pearly minds deflowered by such impurity.
WWTVMD?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
in the oil patch...Fricken Bakken, that's where
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:26am PT
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I'm calling my next route "sand in spideys gina"
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:30am PT
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Captain: hey... that's my line!
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:36am PT
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What kinda response do you think you're going to get after your word choice? So you're either trying to troll us our well you're just and angry bitch (if you're a chic) or angry dick (with a little dick at that) if you are in fact a dude.
Its a two way street Kev.. maybe you have posted respectfully, but plenty of others haven't. Try looking at Rif/Roberts posts if you missed the insults.
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Banks
Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:38am PT
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Offense is always in the eyes of the offended. It's a choice. This is all about the sensibilities, guilt, and shame of a few parents, really. It always is.
By the time a kid would be interested in picking up a cragging guide, none of this matters anymore. They're already well familiar with a world far more explicit than anything a climber could come up with. Welcome to the new sex positive.
The kids are alright. Protective parenting more often than not fails in its impossible objective. It also runs the risk of damaging the relationship - and thus minimizing the influence the parent is attempting to exert.
Want healthy kids? Nurture a sense of humor and an easy going nature that is not easily offended - by anything. If something comes up, encourage open discussion - of anything. They'll take the cue and, in turn, discuss things openly with their peers - and have a better chance of making healthier choices.
Great. Just when the thread was completely devolving into a steaming pile, you have to go and say something rational.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:42am PT
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I feel with spider on this because I have two beautiful children growing up and I'm seeing the world through their eyes. And it pisses me off that everywhere, in this society that us grown ups have created, there are these constant reminders that, above anything else, men are horny animals and women are sexually objectified potential conquests.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
Hopefully your kids don't read your words on this thread. You're quite the vulgar, little, name caller. Some people might call it crass. Is this part of your solution?
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:44am PT
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The OP's tone was insulting to start with. Or maybe we'll pretend it's not if we agree with him.
Okay Jebus.. I will agree with you on this to a point. For some reason, which I haven't been able to figure out, Spider tends to come across to me as insulting to. Sort of Lofty superiority. I don't know why that is as he seems to be a nice guy. But then lots of folks online persona is different from their in person persona. I have been trying to figure that one out since I first noticed it. It makes me wonder how I come across. But thats just my own curiosity..
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John M
climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 10:46am PT
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Hopefully your kids don't read your words on this thread. You're quite the vulgar, little, name caller. Some people might call it crass. Is this part of your solution?
I don't see how you get that from his post.
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