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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 24, 2014 - 09:41am PT
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cause climbers did it right jebus??
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 24, 2014 - 10:22am PT
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crunch, good post, well thought out. Sure you belong here?
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John M
climber
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Oct 24, 2014 - 10:28am PT
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They look the same to me. The only difference is the medium used.
not exactly. The difference is the amount of clean up effort. One is a matter of a few minutes. The other takes quite a bit of time and effort and may leave permanent damage.
Thats not excusing either but there is a difference.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Oct 24, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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^^^ Good point John. It is a lot more effort to remove the paint. I guess I wasn't clear about my point, which was in reference to the first pic being "art". Well it is art. But neither it nor the "art" in the second pic belong where they are.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Oct 24, 2014 - 10:57am PT
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skcreidc there is a big difference.
1. she's pretty hot
2. Bud Light sucks
now if it turns out she drinks Bud Light then I say throw the book at her.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Oct 24, 2014 - 10:59am PT
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Apparently, she is the only hot blond left in America. lol!!
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:06am PT
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Guess I dont know who left it jebus. Looks low angle enough for accessible redneck scrambling I suppose.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:25am PT
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False equivalencies are for the weak-minded.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:26am PT
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"pouty faced false equivalencies."
Get off your high horse dude. These are not false equivalencies. They are legit comparisons. To non climbers (and even some climbers), we leave an ugly impact. Just like this chick left an ugly impact. That is not up for debate.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:27am PT
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your critical thinking skills and ability to put yourself in others shoes need improvement.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:28am PT
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CA.Tim, if you really believe the use of chalk is directly equivalent to that woman's 'art', you must live a very difficult life.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:29am PT
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Its pretty easy actually. I just have the ability to see things from different perspectives unlike a few of you.
Examine what you do to the rock.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:29am PT
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Bwahahahaahahahahaaaa!
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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thoughtful response apogee!
enjoy your glasshouse!
EDIT
point of the linked thread was to show you that other climbers think chalk marks are fugly jebus.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:37am PT
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Do you wear a helmet when you climb?
How about when you make coffee in the morning?
Anyway...virtually all of you making hypocrisy arguments around this issue, comparing it to climber use of chalk, know damn well they aren't the same thing. You just think you're being 'innovative' & controversial by raising the comparison.
It doesn't work, though...it just makes you look silly.
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CA.Timothy
climber
California
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:38am PT
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only wear my helmet on the way to the short bus stop
again thank you proving that you are incapable of seeing things from others perspectives. Why dont you head over to a political thread and spout your absolutes over there
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 24, 2014 - 11:48am PT
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CA.Tim, I'm gonna save my energy for a topic that is worthy of my limited brain capacity, or something that I really want to waste my time on. (Polititard threads are actually a very good place for that.)
This false-equivalency stuff is just plain ridiculous, though.
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goatboy smellz
climber
लघिमा
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Oct 24, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
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apogee
CA.Tim, if you really believe the use of chalk is directly equivalent to that woman's 'art', you must live a very difficult life.
It's not necessarily equivalent but there is a correlation, as a climber we are not exactly seen as innocent by other user groups.
Hueco Tanks is all but shut down, the original ban on bolting in the Flatiron's was due to one bolt right off a popular trail, the Garden of the Gods bans the use of regular chalk because of the residue left on the red sandstone.
Chalk does not wash off. Even after coordinated clean up days at Horsetooth, Flagstaff, Horse Pens the chalk becomes permanent.
I've heard plenty of complaints from friends that do not climb why we get away with using chalk or why are we allowed to leave permadraws and bolts in the rock. I usually just shrug and say that some climbers don't follow those practices but I know that is BS and we are only kidding ourselves that we have little impact on our natural surroundings.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Oct 24, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
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"It's not necessarily equivalent but there is a correlation"
Yeah, just like one can find seven degrees of separation between anything. 'Correlations' like that are merely interesting, quickly become dull, and don't advance the issue at hand.
Of course, they gain new half-lifes in Forums like ours. Wheeeeeee!
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