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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nothing personal Marty, but I woukd hope they would give you and all other passengers a blood test before exiting any area in the affected region. Have'nt looked on a map, are you near the area?
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Ghana is about twice as far away from Ebola as California is from Texas.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Sounds like your beyond the zone of concern then. Happy trails friend.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Lets put a cap on this thread, typical of ST much chatter little sense.
Had lunch last week with my broker and a well informed physician friend, and ebola was briefly a topic.
He said that sending thousands of health care workers and millions of dollars is a poor response. The problem is merely a cultural one. The virus is not easily transmitted if victims are quarantined,.... but much easier to pass on if you are obliged by poverty to nurse your own and then by social custom to publicly wail and moan and hug and kiss the corpse of loved ones extensively!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Maybe not?
According to the Center for Aerobiological Sciences, U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland:
(1) Ebola has an aerosol stability that is comparable to Influenza-A
(2) Much like Flu, Airborne Ebola transmissions need Winter type conditions to maximize Aerosol infection
"Filoviruses, which are classified as Category A Bioterrorism Agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, GA), have stability in aerosol form comparable to other lipid containing viruses such as influenza A virus, a low infectious dose by the aerosol route (less than 10 PFU) in NHPs, and case fatality rates as high as ~90% ."
"The mode of acquisition of viral infection in index cases is usually unknown. Secondary transmission of filovirus infection is typically thought to occur by direct contact with infected persons or infected blood or tissues. There is no strong evidence of secondary transmission by the aerosol route in African filovirus outbreaks. However, aerosol transmission is thought to be possible and may occur in conditions of lower temperature and humidity which may not have been factors in outbreaks in warmer climates [13]. At the very least, the potential exists for aerosol transmission, given that virus is detected in bodily secretions, the pulmonary alveolar interstitial cells, and within lung spaces"
Analysis:
Its clear that when Ebola is in the air it is at least as hardy as Influenza. Its also clear that coughing and sneezing is what makes Influenza airborne; the same should be expected of Ebola.
Moreover, just as sun, heat, and humidity along the Earths' Equatorial regions serve to 'burn' Influenza out of the air, the same should be expected of Ebola. The difference with Ebola is that physical contact with even the tiniest amounts of infected bodily fluid can cause infection, hence unlike flu it also readily spreads in equatorial regions. When Ebola spreads to the regions of the Earth which experience Fall and Winter Flu seasons, airborne Ebola infectious routes are to be expected in conjunction with direct contact infection. http://pissinontheroses.blogspot.com/2014/09/us-army-says-ebola-flu-in-airborne.html
I guess we'll know for sure in a few months.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Why send any health care workers if the natives are just going to kill them?
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Branscomb
Trad climber
Lander, WY
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This is a fascinating scenario. They tore whole pages out of the Hot Zone on this poor guy in Dallas.
He feels bad enough that he goes to the hospital, in the back of his mind probably thinking he may have Ebola, showing symptoms of the early stage disease, tells the staff he has just come from Liberia, and they "fail to communicate", fail to connect the dots in any basic manner at the hospital and send him home with some antibiotics (!).
He wanders around Dallas for 2 days before he gets so ill that he has to be taken in by ambulance, puking all over the place, and only then does it occur to the staff that they just may have a problem (!).
Who knows how many people he actually contacted while in a highly infectious state.
I'm sure there are a lot of people in the know who are really shitting their pants right now while trying to put on a good face on it (oh, NO Worries, we've got it ALLL in control...trust us, we're the experts).
Phew! Welcome to the Middle Ages...this is what the bubonic plague was like then, boys and girls...fear, isolation, anger...it's already started on RSS and Fox...fear of the other, the contagion carried by the outsiders...the fearmongers will play this for all it's worth...the great black harp of prejudice and xenophobia is just beginning to play...all sourced in the city that hosted the end of the American Century in 1963...is this some sort of weird and darksome destiny or what?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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The identity of the man(?) who is suffering with Ebola has not been provided yet. Maybe ask ourselves, before we make cold uncaring comments "Would I say this if this were my cousin? How would I feel about the comment I made if, when this person's name is published, it turns out to be a long lost friend I admired/relative/old flame/etc.?"
Thank God the man is in doctor's care and has a chance. Get Well Soon, brother.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Thank goodness for that kind sentiment Happigrr.
I feel bad that
my immediate thought was the guy is probably a muslim and traveled to
those Ebola villages just to get infected and come here to punish
the great satan. When you think about it his actions would have been
no different if he did have evil intent rather than just being a moron.
A moron who helped carry sick Ebola patients who died over there and then
completely forgets about it. What with all the excitement of traveling to
Texas and all. Anyone could easily forget about that.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Anyone read what Thomas Eric Duncan does for a living in one of the
poorest countries in the world?
Because plane tickets for the Monrovia-Brussels-Washington DC-DallasTexas
trip could be about $10,000. Quite a bit to go see a girlfriend or was it
to get to the best medical care in the world fast?
So did he buy the tickets before or after he was carrying ebola patients
up and down stairways in Liberia?
And who said there are no direct flights from Monrovia to the USA?
Right now there's an N8 901 National Airlines inbound to Trenton NJ.
Hope they check everyone on it.
http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByAirport.do?airportCode=WRI&airportQueryType=1
McGuire Air Force Base Trenton NJ USA
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Ebola is not scary to me as there is no severe outbreak of it in the US..but peoples reaction to Ebola is a bit scary.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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^^^^ I just heard the "Ebola Update" on the local radio. I felt like emailing
the station: "Did I tune into High School Dropout Radio by accident?"
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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How to say this delicately. Liberia Ebola guy, now in isolation in that
Texas hospital, had intimate relations with his Dallas girlfriend for an entire week at her apt. Three children also live in the same apt.
Hope they charge him with murder if any of them die.
Way to much information for the squeamish found here:
http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily
"Simply uttering the word Ebola is enough to cause a person to cringe, shudder, twitch, or perhaps..."
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crøtch
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 2, 2014 - 05:18pm PT
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Google "CDC Ebola Fact Sheet" and read the .pdf from the CDC. Eventually you will come to this...
PREVENTION
The prevention of Ebola HF presents many challenges. Because it is still unknown how exactly people are infected with Ebola HF....
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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So Kalimon, I gather from your response that their is no safeguards in place to prevent the direct contamination of our land and peoples from a known hazardous population half a world away.
There are safeguards in place but seemingly too little too late . . . an extremely difficult situation. This is the first ever case of Ebola diagnosed in the US, something to be extremely concerned about! As for the problem being a "hazardous population" . . . this is an existing virus that does not identify with the race of the individual it infects, any and all populations could be considered hazardous.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Breaking From The Hot Zone.
CDC sends in 'Top Men' for Dallas Ebola containment and cleanup!
Crews? Actually looks like 2 guys in street clothes with a power washer splashing and misting Thomas Eric Duncan's Ebola vomit up into their mouths and eyes. No sign of a bleach bottle to kill the virus.
(report says he vomited in that patch of dirt and collapsed on the sidewalk
before the ambulance arrived. Then he puked inside the ambulance.)
Edit: A NBC cameraman tests positive for Ebola in Liberia. Shredding virus. Saying they will fly the guy back to USA for treatment. The rest of that NBc news team goes into isolation in Monrovia.
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crankster
Trad climber
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It's a frickin virus, you deranged Obama Haters!!!
The international air travel system has also proved to have porous screening procedures that rely heavily on the honesty of travelers and the diligence of airport workers. The chairman of the Liberian national airport authority, Binyah Kesselly, said Thursday that Mr. Duncan had been deceptive about his exposure to the virus when he flew out of Roberts International Airport in Monrovia on Sept. 19.
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