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couchmaster
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Apr 29, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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Well, that needs a picture then. Jeanie Buss, Jerrys daughter (does she own the lakers now?) seen here relaxing, says that the comments were reprehensible.
Hope that furthers the conversation along although it hardly qualifies as the certain analogy Zbrown suggests.
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Largo
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The Big Wide Open Face
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Apr 29, 2014 - 06:23pm PT
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Good riddance.
Now Magic can come in and clean up the mess.
JL
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 29, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
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Good riddance.
Now Magic can come in and clean up the mess.
JL
Actually that seems a little too convenient--
-rich owner (and A-hole) makes racist comments, specifically about Magic,
 NBA forces owner to sell the team to . . . Magic?
Somehow I'm not sure that will fly, we'll see.
And about forcing him to realize $500M gain or whatever--I'm not a tax guy, but now that I think about it, I don't know if Sterling will go for that. If he dies and leaves the team to his heirs, they get a step up in the basis value of the team, so they don't have to pay capital gains tax on it when they sell (they still have to pay inheritance tax) except to the extent it increases in value after his death.
If he has to sell now, he has to pay HUGH cap gains tax, and then the heirs still have to pay inheritance tax.
If I've misstated that tax implications of this, I hope someone corrects me. But otherwise, I'm going to predict NO SALE, voluntarily at least, and we'll what happens if the NBA tries to force him to sell. I'm a bit skeptical that they can do that, but I don't know, and it sounds like the so-called experts disagree.
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survival
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Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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The next important question:
Will the Clippers bounce back tonight? I have a sneaking feeling that they will....
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couchmaster
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pdx
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Apr 29, 2014 - 06:58pm PT
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It will be interesting to see how many seats are empty at the game don't you think Survival? Unless the NAACP is still going to give him the humanitarian award of course....
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2014 - 07:15pm PT
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I have a feeling that there won't be many empty seats, especially after the NBA ruling today. It makes everyone feel better. Plus, it's a great playoff series.
Now if the commish hadn't taken a stand, and if Sterling were still in charge next season, it might be a different story.
That's my not-so-professional opinion.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
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Actually that seems a little too convenient--
-rich owner (and A-hole) makes racist comments, specifically about Magic,
NBA forces owner to sell the team to . . . Magic?
Seems fishy, don't it?
Also got a lot of other stuff off the headlines....
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Braunini
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Apr 29, 2014 - 07:33pm PT
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Pages late but LOL at anyone who believes this has anything to do with the first amendment
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survival
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Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 29, 2014 - 07:47pm PT
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Who said the team was being sold to Magic? It would be poetic justice if you ask me.
Seems fishy, don't it? What seems fishy?
Racist gozillionaire gets caught with pants down? Yeah, I guess you're right, if there were actually any consequences that would be FISHY!
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
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How is this not a clear-cut 1st Amendment winner of a case in favor of the bigot? Even if it wasn't a private conversation, it's still valid.
Ever hear some black or Mexican radicals call for killing whitey? I can help ya out if you don't know already. Calling for violence is not protected by the 1st.
Racial discrimination in a private conversation is protected.
We should be careful where this is allowed to go. This could get many un-suspecting people in jail. Assuming we're willing to apply equal penalties under the law that this guy got.
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Braunini
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Apr 29, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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We should be careful where this is allowed to go. This could get many un-suspecting people in jail.
He didn't get arrested, he got voted off the island according to the charter rules of a private organization he belonged to.
Saying racist things will get you fired from Wal-Mart too.
Lotta constitutional scholars up in here
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:00pm PT
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He didn't get arrested, he got voted off the island according to the charter rules of a private organization he belonged to.
Saying racist things will get you fired from Wal-Mart too.
Lotta constitutional scholars up in here
What I meant is what if it is violent rhetoric. Many rappers may find themselves in jail, despite us knowing it is just a song.
But it gets worse than that. Some, specifically black, activists call for killing white children. Why is that not criminal?
The head of La Raza has made some pretty violent statements too. Jailable? Or free-speech?
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zBrown
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Brujo de la Playa
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:01pm PT
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On the upside (for Donald anyway), the Ku Klux Klan is scheduled to honor Attorney Sterling at an upcoming barbeque. Come to think of it where is the Sterling Militia?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
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bluey
don't you get that a great deal of this bas##ard's fortune comes from black players and tenants?
and that in the 21st century racism is just plain uncivilized?
Sure he's got a "1st amendment right". And the NBA has a right to protect their franchise.
The 1st amendment only applies to the government's relationship with the populace.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. As I pointed out earlier, there is specific clause in Sterling's contract that he can't screw up the league for the others. It will probably end up in court and he'll likely lose. In My Not So Humble Opinion
Some, specifically black, activists call for killing white children. Why is that not criminal? They CAN be prosecuted if it can be shown that their speech specifically led to murder. That's a pretty high bar, as it should be.
But irrelevant to contracts between private parties.
Every year I sign two or three Non Disclosure Agreements with clients. If I ever disclose any of their intellectual property I can be sued for damages.
That's a mutual contract, not signed under duress. And it is valid.
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Sanskara
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
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Hahahahhahahhahahnan
F*#king genius I tell you.
Hard to believe we all have an equal right to vote sometimes...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
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As I pointed out earlier, there is specific clause in Sterling's contract that he can't screw up the league for the others. It will probably end up in court and he'll likely lose. In My Not So Humble Opinion
I not defending the man. I'm defending his speech that was made in a private conversation. He was not aware this was going to affect the league. He was having a private conversation.
As such, shouldn't the 1st defend his private speech while released without his permission?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
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He was not aware this was going to affect the league. He was having a private conversation. He may well chose to argue this in court. Good luck to him.
Meanwhile public opinion has spoken, his sponsors/advertisers are fleeing the sinking ship.
As they all have a legal right to do.
His franchise is likely losing value by the minute.
A smarter man would get rid of the team as quickly as possible, take his mega millions and flee to Switzerland.
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
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He may well chose to argue this in court. Good luck to him.
Meanwhile public opinion has spoken, his sponsors/advertisers are fleeing the sinking ship.
As they all have a legal right to do.
His franchise is likely losing value by the minute.
A smarter man would get rid of the team as quickly as possible, take his mega millions and flee to Switzerland.
Funny how this only happens to rich white guys.
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/25345293/mich-mans-selfie-mocked-by-celebrities-on-social-media
Shaq ridicules man with birth condition. How is this different? Shaq deleted it after he caught sh#t, but he's a hypocrite!
I can list other examples. There's a double standard. And the 1st Amendment wasn't designed for that.
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zBrown
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Brujo de la Playa
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
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I haven't read the contract, but I would be surprised if it included any language that Attorney Sterling needed to be aware that his behavior did or would negatively affect the league.
Now as to whether V. signed a non-disclosure agreement with Attorney Sterling, that is another issue.
In my faovrite legal phrase he "knew or should have known".
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 29, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
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I'm going to pull a Chief and re-post
From the LA Times today
The NBA's bylaws allow for owners to be expelled from the league, though that power is reserved for limited circumstances, such as the inability to operate financially, gambling on league games or fixing games.
The more likely route, which Silver took, lay within Article 35 of the NBA Constitution, which allows the commissioner to indefinitely suspend owners for "conduct prejudicial or detrimental to the association."
This is a contract between Lizard Face and the NBA. Sure they'll fight about it in court. As I said above. A smarter, wealthy man would cut his losses and get outta Dodge. Why Switzerland? because it's a great place for Rich Scoundrels.
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