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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Lois,
John hasn't made himself a fixture in a pagan transcendental corn cult forum whereas you, on the otherhand, have planted yourself here in a premiere climbing forum. Is that ok? Sure, to a point - and that is when you repeatedly miss and or duck the whole point of why all these people are here so you can happen to avail yourself of them.
And just so you're clear, if you can hike you can climb something, period. In this matter we actually are the domain experts and collectively know about all there is to know about the capabilities and limitations of the human body, extremities, and mind on rock. Where we do have to occassionally pause and evalutate things on a case-by-case basis in when it comes to emotions and from your posts here on ST it's abundantly clear you pass muster on that front as well.
Bottom line. Lurk more and ask fewer questions if you really aren't interested in the answers - because some of the answers here only come at the end of a rope and are not available on a pixel-by-pixel basis. You now have a bunch of luminaries willing to see you through the experience, get your head out of the sand, stop making lame excuses and go climbing if this community is really of interest to you...
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sandstone and sky
Trad climber
AK
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That picture is f'in funny. Admit it!
I didn't ask why you had so much free time. You'll have to pin that one on someone else.
And, I didn't say weird was bad. You made that connection. I think you're about a half bubble off plumb, true, but so are most of my friends, so I can't hold that against you.
I'm not judging, and neither are most other people. You're reading that in yourself.
I am merely intrigued by the stream of consciousness.
Cheers!
SS
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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LEB, I'm very intuitive & something isn't right here.Sick mind??? You can't take direction; you won't even consider it.But you ask how & why when the answer will only take a lovely day with Karl or Largo. Most people on this site would pay money to climb with a stone master. But you ask;but never do. Come clean, you're easy to read.rg
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sandstone and sky
Trad climber
AK
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I think you're safe from having anyone else bother you with climbing stuff on this climbing site -- until you ask your next climbing question.
There's always 10% that don't get the memo.
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WBraun
climber
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Don't you people get it?????
She's not a f*#king rock climber nor will she ever be nor does she want go on the rock even if it's the only place where some of the answers are.
She just likes to be social here with subjects that interest her here.
Jeez it's not so fuking hard to understand. She could even be your mother hanging here because she loves you.
And you thought she's relentless .........
-:)
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Actually, LEB is full of it. But most likely the best troll to ever come upon supertaco.
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
the ville, colorado
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LEB, Please re-read what you wrote in the last post. You aren't intuitive are you?? What does this have to do with who you like or not.If you had to choose someone, who would it be?? Come on thats sixth grade mentality.You're a very smart lady. I was using a play on words in my earlier post to get insight on who you really are. I have observed you lurking back & forth in threads trying to get the poster back to your thread to answer your questions.To me thats quite odd.What are you doing with these threads?? Are you printing them; you seem to get really peeeeeeeved when it gets deleted.In the same manner a student would if they lost a paper they had worked many hours on & forgot to hit the "save" button......You have everybodys email address why do you keep everthing in the forum format??If you are truly sincere I apologize, but you have a motive.rg
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Roger Breedlove
Trad climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Whew, I am sure glad that is settled.
So Lois, tell us more about "energy balancing."
Buzz
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Roger, my old friend and cad that he is, wrote: "Want to have a beer together? Roy says it is trans...something or another. Usually the local brews are pretty good, so I don't try to remember the names."
I would never extend that offer to a climber, Roger, because we're all too weird. But I knew from LEB's conversational style she was a scholastic (generally very unadventurous) so I figured at worst I'd have to go see a bad play or someone reciting dogeral with a git-tar back up.
But LEB is slippery as an eel and absolutely rigid in what her mind tells her to do and who she is. So she tried to deflect my offer by "conceeding" that we were in an argument and that I had "won." Bollocks. For starters, I now and then binge on a thread and it's always for the same reason--I'm at my computer trying to work for for whatever reason, I just can't. It happens about once a month and it happened to day. I wasn't trying to win anything. I was trying to get LEB our of her chains, which she considers free will, but notice how far she has moved. Not an inch. I pretty much knew she never would because I know the type--but I kept at it and that's my own stubborness and foolishness.
But hey, prove me wrong and answer the question LEB: Will you go climbing, once, with Karl Baba? If not, kindly state what you are afraid of so we can all respond. And don't say it's not a fear thing because it always is--of that you may be sure.
JL
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SammyLee
Trad climber
Memphis
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Lois, I apologize if I was a dog in the pack. But to some extent, I guess that's a bit what climbers are. Dingus says "it's tribal" and that's true too I think. Remember my reference to "a group of Hell's Angels"?
So enjoy the fruits of battle. Have a nice glass or two of wine. Get you husband to brush your hair. Relax. And enjoy the fact that you were offered the prize of a lifetime (for many of us) for free that you don't have to accept.
Really cool I think. And I do believe that the offers were made because people like you, not simply as a challenge or demand to "learn" something. I know for a fact my offer to meet me and Karl Sunday was just that. Which is stll open, by the way.
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Roger Breedlove
Trad climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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You know John, we had this conversation with Lois last year. She was asking too many questions and not emptying her cup, so to speak, to accept the answers, so we tried to get her to go to New Paltz and climb. She wouldn't budge then either.
She just likes us for our minds. But I wasn't born yesterday. That's how it always starts; pretty soon you are in way over your head.
Anyway, I was a little nervous that you might be found...um regressed and going on about your past life--not the one I know about but something all together new and strange, channeling all sorts of bizarre, ancient history.
The way I figure it, Lois' decline may have saved you more than a "bad play or someone reciting dogeral with a git-tar back up." By her own admission she has had morays with her boyfriend in the 60s. That sounds really twisted and dangerous, if you ask me. (Maybe she was speaking Italian.)
Bset, Roger
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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"There are so many desirable men here that if I were forced to pick thge one I liked the best, it would be a very hard choice."
-just wait till the bathing suit competition!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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ROTFLMFAO! Jaybro, you are too much... oh the image that flashed in my mind..
...better we all meet on the banks of the Merced in the Valley at night, a quarter moon might still be too much illumination.
Lois, just a hint, if you start a thread "Perspectives on John Long's Climbing Book" on an internet forum whose majority come from the climbing community, you will get a climbing perspective on John's book. Not only that, but John's literature works on many different levels, and to climbers he captures in words what they feel but cannot speak, for as soon as the words are formed they realize how wanting the descriptions are...
In the Introduction to "RJs,WRs&HDs" John describes in a number of places something that you may have overlooked, but probably reveals an essence which may be hard to grasp.
The Introduction starts: "A young man, barely twenty, runs his fingers over a one foot section of crack. So zeroed in is his face that his mother would not recognize him."
Next paragraph: "A thunderbolt could not break his focus, though his awareness rolls out like the rings formed by a pebble dropped into a pond... He knows that if the piton [he is attached to in standing in slings] goes, it's trouble: The nearest ption that can break his fall is 60 feet below him."
"He feels every inch of the remaining 800 feet soaring overhead like a great gray wave. But he knows no more than what he can see, for no one has ever climbed this section of the wall. He's dead reckoning."
"Occasional flashes of fear and loneliness, strong as they are, cannot pierce his focus; but what he can't acknowledge, he feels turning deep in his belly.
He is aware of that the section of rock 18 inches before his eyes is an infinitesimal bit of the biggest chunk of exposed granite in the world: El Capitan...
...There is no yesterday, no tomorrow, just the electric now, and the fragile copper swedge supporting his weight, and the hammering in his chest, and the realization that half a mile up a wall of naked rock, life and death have merged.
The reasons he is climbing are deeper than words can go. He only knows that it is not desire or even skill that keeps him moving, but obligation. He has to climb this 'big wall'; The reasons, whenever stated, never sound quite right, and only matter to none climbers anyway. To him, what matters is that this copper swedge holds, and the next one after that, all the way to the summit, still two days away, maybe three."
I don't know but you may have thought this was overly dramatic, but it actually falls far short of the actual experience. I believe that klaus compared doing his routes to "defusing a bomb," can you imagine that? if you have only one way to get it right or else you are blown out of existence your focus would be intense, you have to chase all of the morbid thoughts into a corner of your brain and continue to function, flawlessly. You take a long time, and you focus on the job at hand because you're dead otherwise.
I have been on climbs where the hours in the day pass without notice, making such slow progress that the shadows almost perceptively move across the rock, the long shadows of the morning disappearing in the noon glare and reappearing in the golden evening. Just what was I doing? how could progress be so slow?
I don't know, it is just the focus...
Only one other experience I've had came close, and it was chemically induced, to watch the shadows of the chess pieces hide from the sun all day long, and the grain of the wood change texture and nature under the lighting... just sitting still and watching, all day long.
But I'll take climbing over that or anything else for those feelings.
It can only be partially described, but the understanding is inferior... the only way to know is by doing.
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Jenna Johnson
climber
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Did anyone else hear that report today on NPR about the Shiites in Iraq killing the goat herders for not diapering their goats? Just too provocative for those repressed bastards. No kidding. NPR.
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quietpartner
Trad climber
Moantannah
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There must be some righteous guys running around with bare heads now.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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"Now PLEASE find me a more sexy and sultry drama queen and take that ugly one down. "
The drama queen is ALWAYS ugly. When they have the trappings of beauty, it is merely an illusion for the dumb, that they might stomach the fact that they are ingesting the much hated brussels sprouts of childhood, and telling themselves they like the taste.
Lois - why do you obstusely refuse to "get it" yourself - that telling you to climb has absolutely NOTHING to do with expecting you might enjoy the thing?
You are a taker, Lois. A self-absorbed taker. You are merely a shadow of that which is Rajmit in his impudence, of Juan in his prejudice. Nothing more, nothing less, when you act with such impudence.
You're coming to the table empty-handed, thinking you can get by on your (in your opinion)good looks and charming refusal of comprehension. Stomp your feet some more and insist you get your way. Some guys get a rise out of it.
The game goes on.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
St. Louis
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Leave Largo alone LEB!!! He's mine mine mine mine mine!!!
If I catch you on his doorstep ogling him, you're dead meat.
Carry on.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Please stop trying to convince LEB to climb. As she has stated 1001 times on this forum alone (soon to be 1002), she is not interested. She has no athletic abilities or aspirations. Climbing is an *athletic* activity.
The symphony of 10,000 straight-pipe Harleys climbing at the hairpin turn, or a quartet of Happiegrrrls "imdoginators" doing their best piccolo sonata would be sweet music compared to hearing LEB walking down the carriage road.
Apologies to Happie in advance.
BTW. The Gunks are *very* *much* *more* *crowded* than any other climbing areas in the country. It is only by selling day passes that the crowds can be held down to rock concert numbers.
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Roger Breedlove
Trad climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Lois, The Crimpster, happie, and JJ sorting out road tripping and who gets whom. Ummmm...is Janet coming along?
"People,
People who need people,
Are the luckiest people in the world
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A feeling deep in your soul
Says you were half now you're whole
No more hunger and thirst
But first be a person who needs people..."
I'm channeling something. It's a little scary. Maybe the Tarbuster can help.
TL-S, Buzz
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Werner is right. Lois is not interested in any of this stuff. All she has to do is spend $13 on the video, which has been linked early on in this thread, and have all of her questions answered. Her fun comes in making you guys jump through hoops. She even got Largo to offer to road trip with her.
More power to her.
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