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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I had assumed it was canada or South africa. Missed the Irish angle..
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 5, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
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Before and after of a freebie 12ga that I converted into a "saddle gun".
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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my 2 cents:
Fabulous killing devices. Some of the best, morally acceptable ones invented yet. Remarkably precise, and astonishingly indiscriminate.
My wife's take on the second amendmant: Everyone who wants one, gets a musket. Sorry, I can't argue with her.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jim,
I'm sitting on a couple tons of legal 'fabulous killing devices' that have never killed, and hopefully never will, anything.. (ok ok... a skunk or two)....
And of the thousand or so fine people I've shot competitions or for fun with over many decades I can't remember one who seemed intent on violence against any people. In fact, most of us with a lot of experience shooting targets and/or in combat know full well the potential energy going downrange and take it quite seriously.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Fear,
People kill people, as well as many other "things". Just because you don't, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It has been going on for quite a while now too.
In some places, the things that make it very easy to kill other things are less readily available. Over there, other things are killed less readily. We all make choices. It is pretty straightforward.
My uncle said something like: "There is evil in this world, therefore we need strong men."
Inanimate things don't make choices.
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Sorry,
My 4 cents worth.
Sitting on a pile of well machined precision killing equipment is pretty attractive. Is it worth giving up that feeling in order to make yet another mass shooting a little less likely?
Some places said yeah.
In some ways, we do see ourselves as exceptional.
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stephenbmx1@yahoo.com montoya
Sport climber
texas
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born raised in texas, got red ryder for christmas when i was 8 like in christmas story lol, got my chl when i was 21, run a family business in downtown dallas carry everyday, watched people get stabbed over 6 times, and cops shoot a guy pulling his gun over 5 times inside the building, glad i only work there lol
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Hey cowboy I believe that's called "bump fire". it looks like a standard semi auto beretta 9mm or forty cal, but basically his fat belly pushes the pistol forward and his trigger finger is stationary... The movement of the pistol causes it to fire at such a high rate. If he's not careful, he may wind up a victim of Darwinism... This method of fire control is better suited for long semiautomatic rifles, well with at least a 16" bbl... Easier to control
Scott
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Jim, I totally respect your wife's and your position. I think governments and powers that be (dictators and such Mao and Ché etc...) have killed way more than any firearm out there. You think back in the late 1940's when china was slaughtering its own by the tens of millions (between 45 and 60 million) that maybe they wished they had a chance to defend themselves with something other than a stick? I also believe that about 99.9% of legal gun owners don't commit murder. In fact, they tend to commit other crimes less frequently than the avg citizen. Maybe has somethjng to do with fingerprints on file with the FBI or the fact that they enjoy their hobby and wish to peacefully continue with it. Yes some firearm owners do crossover to the dark side an use them in crimes. Are people gonna drink less cause some people get stupid drunk and do dumb ass things? Are people gonna do less drugs because drug cartels are murdering lots of people? Will people use less coke or marijuana because dealers and other criminals involved with the drug trade are killing innocent as well as other criminal coworkers or gang members? I seriously doubt that anyone thinks for a millisecond about all the people that die as a result of the drug trade just before taking a hit of whatever their form of recreation may be. Gangs and drug trade commit the majority of murder, at about 70-75% How about make pot legal everywhere, free up prisons and courts tax it appropriately, and just bring the hammer down on those that commit violent crimes. The folks that commit violent crimes are not likely on this forum... Most of us on here are lovers! This just happens to be a thread where we enjoy some fine machinery.
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Hickok45 vids on YouTube are fun... How can you not want to have fun at his ranch sorry bat the link... I posted this on my phone
http://youtu.be/ej39umHaB08
Scott
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2014 - 08:11am PT
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Yak-Chik, it's the Blaser! I shot one of those. I thought the straight pull bolt was weird. One of the more expensive rifles I've ever handled.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Yak-Chik,
every fall my doctor friend treats idiot hunters that put their eyes right up against the scope like that.
Fugging Hollywood!
lol
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
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I took a friend shooting once.
He was a Veteran of the Army and the Navy, and had been on several tours overseas to Iraq.
He wanted to shoot my .30-06 at a long distance. So I dialed it up on the scope, got the rifle all set...
He lays down and pushes his eye up against the end of the scope. I was just kind of staring, dumbfounded, I thought he was... I dunno, I don't know just what he was doing. But I felt out of place to correct him..
Well, just as I'm about to say, "hey, there friend.." he jerks the trigger, giving himself a big crescent eyebrow, which starts to bleed profusely.
I was able to find a couple panty-liner pads int he glove box, which he idiotically refused to wear. He peeled off the adhesive backing and used it like butterfly bandages. Initially he accused me of "tricking" him into shooting that "cannon".
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Often military folks who do not come from a rural background know pretty much nothing about guns outside of their MOS. So your friend who perhaps spent 3 years mostly shooting a 5.56mm carbine may have never fired a high power bolt gun?
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 6, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
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Exactly. And I'm sorry he had such a negative experience. The whole thing took place Ina matter of moments. His friend was equally flabbergasted.
Now I make a real clear distinction between teaching someone something and recreating with peers.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I have been shooting for 45yrs and the highest power scoped rifle i have ever shot was .243 I could be a prime canidate for scope eye if someone handed me a 30-06 w/ a scope.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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anyone name that chapel? the rifle?
my lover?
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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My 06 popped me in the eye twice on the elk hunt due to the poor position I shot from. Sunglasses left the bridge of my nose bruised. Had smoked elk sandwich, French dip style for dinner tonight though.
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