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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Dec 16, 2013 - 07:42pm PT
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wow. And yet here you are, on this forum...
Huh. Nice 34 posts there. Angry much? Here for vengeance? Vengeance over what, exactly? I've done nothing to you, nor supported any act of my government toward you, lest you be some sort of terrorist activist or enemy combatant.
So what, exactly, have the people here on this forum done to get you so godawful worked up that you feel the need to voice your displeasure and a desire for some kind of vengeance? By the way, what, exactly, type of vengeance do you seek? You mind posting a picture and telling us exactly where you're at? I don't much want to go visit there, since you have all these preconceived notions of who I am and what I stand for simply by virtue of what my nationality is. Doesn't that make you some kind of bigot?
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Dec 16, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
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DMT:
I read your rage at wanting to take all the guns from everyone.
Northern Arizona consistently produces some of the largest elk in the US. A single mature cow elk (of which there are around 35,000 elk roaming around mostly on national forest in this state) can provide perhaps 150 pounds of table meat. That's something like 300-400 meals of range fed meat. That is a lot of food, for a dozen individuals and pets, a years worth of tasty grub. It seems a lot more natural to me than some beef steak from the feedlot.
It insults me that people want to take away my ability to provide food for my family of friends.
Incidentally, the prime reason we have such a gift to harvest is because responsible hunters pour a great deal of money into resource conservation and game management.
($54 hunt/fish combo, $8 Powell / Utah stamp, $6 double pole AZ stamp, $25 turkey tag, $121 elk tag, but prices are going up next year).
It's irresponsible to take all guns from all citizens. Plus I couldn't see that ever happening.
School shootings suck. As a part time school teacher, these events touch close to home.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Dec 16, 2013 - 07:45pm PT
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I like you Ron, but I hardly think you represent mainstream America.
Do you really think that you do?
DMT is right. We're getting sick of this sh#t.
And no, WE are not some group of sheltered peace-nick metro wannabe eurofags.
WE are Americans who grew up in the country, who had rifles in our closets as kids, who played hooky from school to go hunting, who served in the military in combat units, who slept with our weapons on the ground in the cold countless times, who were educated in tools of violence far more lethal than anything in your safe.
And we can see right through this nonsense.
Count me in this group, but zinger has a point too. These are our kids. This kid doesn't look like some mangy freak like Adam Lanza or that yoyo in Boston. This could be anybodys kid. Is it his parents? Should they have been allowed to breed?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 16, 2013 - 07:49pm PT
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graniteclimber, that's the best article you could find to "make" your point?
LOL... the article itself makes my point: "The conclusions first came to light at a strategy meeting of gun control advocates in Denver last weekend, where they discussed strategies for protecting Colorado’s tough new laws that led to two recalls and one attempted recall in which the targeted politician resigned."
I didn't say that these pols' votes regarding gun control were the one and only, sole, complete, total reason. I said what this article said: the primary reason these pols lost their seats was because of their stance (one even attempted to hide it) on gun control. And the gun-control Dems met to discuss damage control over that very fact.
Your article MAKES my point. LOL
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
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Yeah. Nothing. Like the restrictions against fully-automatic weapons mean nothing. Riiiiigghhht....
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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The trend is going clearly back to personal responsibility for ones protection. from the people with guns.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:16pm PT
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Romobama was the salesman of the decade.
No, the Republicans used the irrational fear of losing all their guns (which wasn't going to happen) into a mad dash to double down on any fire power they could get. A wet dream for the NRA, conservatives and manufactures of guns and ammo.
Irrational fear was the snake oil salesman.
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johnboy
Trad climber
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:33pm PT
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Guns don't kill people kill people.
People with guns kill people, more so than people with knifes, fire, fists, arrows.......................
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
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Good luck with that. And good luck with regulating Molotov cocktails (and their makings). Oh, right, they are already regulated. Oh, sorry. We're safe, and so are our kids!
What I don't care about is this chimera of general "safety" you think is achievable if you can just get enough laws in place.
Haters gonna hate. Killers gonna kill. Kids are gonna die. Sometimes more of them; sometimes less. Choose your time-slice to play with your statistics.
synopsis:
We accept no attempt of any form of regulation because we can always
rationalize things like;
We can't control murders in prison so we can't control school violence.
Fire equals guns.
It's the parents fault.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:48pm PT
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One shouldnt try that revisionist history stuff while hes still in office,, memory far to fresh but GUD try..
Come on Ron, all the Dems proposed was back ground checks and magazine limits.
This minor attempt needed a response of buy anything you can?
With the push of farce fear introduced it did.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:49pm PT
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David Kos:
DMT wrote (hopefully in jest):
"You. Its all about you. And your precious firearms. Well I don't give a f*#k about your right to bear arms and increasingly, my fellow Americans agree.
Mark my words. We're gonna get those guns."
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:50pm PT
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synopsis:
We accept no attempt of any form of regulation because we can always
rationalize things like;
We can't control murders in prison so we can't control school violence.
Fire equals guns.
It's the parents fault.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
Straw men, all.
I've just today reiterated that I fully support gun registration, background checks, and other such regulation that could tend to make gun ownership a more responsible proposition.
Even with reasonable (and doable) regulations in place, we CAN'T control violence at the level apparently some on this thread think is not only possible but necessary.
"Fire equals guns." Ridiculous.
"It's the parents' fault." Never said it, never implied it, and think it's a very superficial account of what's really going on.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 16, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Dec 16, 2013 - 09:12pm PT
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I've just today reiterated that I fully support gun registration, background checks, and other such regulation that could tend to make gun ownership a more responsible proposition.
You may stand for the above quote, but you've argued all the other straw men as a defense.
Add to my list;
Slippery slope.
Ron, factually I was wrong, many of the Dems caved too when it came to a vote.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Dec 16, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
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Dingus,, i have NOT SHOT one user here on this forum.. I regulate my self well i do lol! But i also grew up in a place and time where i brought guns to high school on a regular basis as we hunted directly after class. NORMAL thing here. Nary a school shooting one.
That's all fine and dandy those good ole days.
Take a good look around now though, taint the same.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 16, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
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Johnboy writes:
"...many of the Dems caved too when it came to a vote."
Why do you think that is?
Is it because deep down inside, despite what they say, those Democrats really don't believe in gun control?
Or do they just think gun control might not be popular among the people who elected them, and vote against what they really believe in order to satisfy the electorate?
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 16, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
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I think America broke Zinger's heart.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Dec 16, 2013 - 09:24pm PT
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or possibly a teacher-student love affair gone awry
 oh, how it feels so great to speculate on the little things….
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Dec 16, 2013 - 09:32pm PT
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Is it because deep down inside, despite what they say, those Democrats really don't believe in gun control?
Same simple reason as Repub's canidates.
Fear of not being re elected.
Not fear of the people, the people were in the majority favor of the law too in almost every state.
Money greases a lot of palms.
Sorry state were in where money over rides democracy.
Edit,
peace out till tomorrow.
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Dec 16, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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DMT, I am not cherry picking on you and perhaps I should have read this whole thread more carefully.
It's is as unfair to label all gun owners the same [people] as it is to label all climbers the same.
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