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raymond phule
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Nov 23, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
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Runways are MUCH longer than the space they had to work with there, with way fewer obstructions on the approach to the runway than were present on the approach to The Pentagon, and they make runways like that for good reasons. Space costs money, and they use the minimum necessary at airports to still ensure safety. Amateur pilots typically struggle to land on runways, using all the available space, and that is what defines the parameters.
What are you talking about? Runways are long because it takes a long distance to stop a large airplane. Thinking about the distance necessary to stop an airplane is not necessary if you fly it into a building...
Also a very strange claim about amateur pilots. Do you think about amateur pilots that for same reason fly 747 or amateur pilots that fly Cessnas? If you think about Cessnas what you write are wrong. I really doubt that many pilots struggle to land a Cessna on a 3 km runway.
edit: and the most difficult thing when landing an airplane is to have the correct speed at the correct position. Crashing or having a to high speed at the beginning at the runway is not that difficult.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Nov 23, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 23, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
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Raymond, the nutters are still going on about how hard it would be to crash into the world's biggest building? HaHaHaHaHa! It would far easier to crash into the Pentagon than to get an F1 car out of the pits and onto the track.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 23, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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Jammer, you clearly have no clue. Any large jet is very easy to fly - turn the wheel or move the throttles to go up or down. It's that simple. Yes, landing involves a few other niceties but those goons weren't concerned with that.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
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Jammer doesn't want to be associated with those trash truther sites, but then emits the same trash.
Hanjour had a 6 mile, nearly straight approach into the pentagon after the turn. That's about 40 seconds. He had a commercial pilots license and trained on a real simulator, not a gaming system.
The only pilots who could not perform such an easy maneuver are the Pilots For Truth.
Measure it yourself on google earth.
http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Image:Google_Earth_Flight_Paths.zip
I was doing figure-8's in a squirrely Cessna 150 centered over barns in the Napa valley after 10 hours of training time. Hanjour isn't going to have a problem with a simple 3-minute right hand turn.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 23, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
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Ok, I admit I haven't read back further than this page. I just made the assumption you're one of the believers in that crashing a 757 into the Pentagon would have been beyond those guys. Am I right? Am I also correct that you are capable of looking up ATP? You need more credentials?
Buy Microsoft Flight Simulator, it is actually pretty darn realistic.
It'll be good enough to get you up to snuff for crashing into the
world's largest building.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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The onus is on us to convince you Jammer? LOL!
Come back when you have a good handle on freefall, acceleration and velocity.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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It's a composite pic. Look it up yourself. There is no clear single shot of the entire crash site, because it was always obscured by smoke, firefighting, and collapsed before the fire was put out.
But several people got pics at different times and they were put together.
I know, it's fake, bla, bla, bla, the truther mantra.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
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Good luck, Jammer. Work on the concepts of acceleration, velocity, and freefall, and you will not make such bonehead mistakes.
BTW, did you expect the wingtips to slice through the heavily reinforced concrete building? LOL!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 23, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
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By "watching a pixel", with no supporting data. Did they do anything to ensure the camera had no vertical motion so the pixel really was a fixed point in the sky? This could skew the result either way...but we don't know, no data is given. Weird. We are just supposed to take their word for it. Solid "scientific" justification...
This is why it's frustrating having a discussion with you. It makes no difference if the camera is moving or not.
Curt
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 23, 2013 - 06:59pm PT
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Don't waste your time with monolith as he's an Israel and Saudi disinfo terrorist shill.
He works for them ......
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 23, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
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Seriously?
Hows the pay man?
Always looking for a little extra income.
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 23, 2013 - 07:12pm PT
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Don't waste your time with monolith as he's an Israel and Saudi disinfo terrorist shill.
I'd say that anybody who can get both the Israelis and Saudis to pay them must be pretty good.
Curt
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 23, 2013 - 07:16pm PT
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Israel and Saudis are the number one major global terrorists for years.
You work for them and in your next life you will become poisonous scorpion or forked tongue snake ...
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 07:33pm PT
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LOL, agent Snowden at the NSA. Good one Bruce.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 23, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
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Well like I said that damn NIST study put a severe dent in our workload. Cheney retired.. that man was like our patron saint.
Slim pickins lately for the outfit.. gotta make a buck where ya can.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:07pm PT
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LOL, not photoshopped. It's a composite, idiot. No one was trying to fool you. You fool yourself better than anyone else could.
Here's one that is not a composite. See how it matches the composite?
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:33pm PT
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Many key US men both in the intel and govt sectors have revealed their complicit involvement in both JFK and 911 over the years.
Meanwhile the the fool monolith keeps staring at a building .......
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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The pillars are marked with orange in the composite version. Put on your glasses, Jammer.
Smart delete, Jammer!
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 23, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
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It absolutely does. They measured the building moving relative to a pixel, which only works if the pixel is at a fixed point in the sky, which only happens if the camera doesn't move, or moves very very little.
jammer, it does not matter if the camera is moving. This is a matter of fact--not opinion. As long as we know the height of the building and the camera captures the top of the building from the onset of the collapse through the end of the collapse, it doesn't matter if the camera is moving 500mph, or in what direction it is moving.
Additionally, your continuing reference to "a series of low probability events" is incorrect and nonsensical. Winning the lottery is a low probability event--but knowing the winning numbers after they're drawn is not.
Curt
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